Man decapitates passenger aboard Greyhound bus in Manitoba, page 2
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reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 02:38 PM by matth
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You must of missed it when I said this in a later post:

"I'm not saying that Greyhound bus depots need the same screening procedures as an an international airport, however I do think that a simple metal detector with an armed security guard would be in order."

So no, I'm not for having 19 year old rent-a-cops with 6 weeks of security school training armed with a flashlight and a notepad watching over these bus depots. I am, however, for properly trained, armed security guards or police watching over a metal detector to prevent people from bringing weapons on a bus.

If you're going to debate me, then debate me. But don't put words in my mouth, and then debate those same words you put in my mouth as if I said it. And that includes mixing my words up and ignoring things I said at a later date that would explain your argument. Read the whole thread next time.

PS, I'm not going to debate this anymore with anyone, as I find it ridiculous that a debate has even started over the lack of safety on buses after a guy had his head cut off with a "Rambo" knife. If anyone wants to discuss this then I'm open for that, but I'm going to stop clarifying what I said because it's stupid and pointless. Peace.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 02:54 PM by CO Vet
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That's fine, matth. Just saying you want the bus lines to pay for and provide security that they already are doing. You don't want government involvement, except for oversight, whatever that'll accomplish. And I have a feeling if they did what you want, a metal detector and armed security that actually look like security, quite a few individuals would complain about "Big Brother" sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. Also, have you considered how the bus lines are going to pay for providing this additional security? You don't want government involvement except for oversight, so that's out. Guess it'd have to be higher fares and/or a service fee for those using the terminal. Then what do they do about people getting on the buses at backwood stops? Guess the bus will have to be equipped with metal detectors, and one of these security guards will have to be assigned to every bus. And you think the bus lines are going to do this?


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 03:38 PM by matth
Originally posted by CO Vet
reply to
post by matth



That's fine, matth. Just saying you want the bus lines to pay for and provide security that they already are doing. You don't want government involvement, except for oversight, whatever that'll accomplish. And I have a feeling if they did what you want, a metal detector and armed security that actually look like security, quite a few individuals would complain about "Big Brother" sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. Also, have you considered how the bus lines are going to pay for providing this additional security? You don't want government involvement except for oversight, so that's out. Guess it'd have to be higher fares and/or a service fee for those using the terminal. Then what do they do about people getting on the buses at backwood stops? Guess the bus will have to be equipped with metal detectors, and one of these security guards will have to be assigned to every bus. And you think the bus lines are going to do this?


Who would complain about Big Brother sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong, when all it involves is putting a metal detector in a bus depot to prevent weapons going on board the bus? You? I think that would be it, and the people who think like you would be in the minority. I was suggesting, and nothing more or nothing less, the following:

1. Put metal detectors in the bus depots. Not rectal scanners, not fingerprint scanners, not DNA stealers, just a fricking metal detector.

2. Make the bus lines pay for it, and if that means raising fares then so be it. I'm pretty sure nobody would have an issue with paying an extra few bucks for actual security for the bus depot and bus they got on. And if you've actually ever used the buses here in Canada on a regular bases and have been to these bus depots in a major city on a regular bases, you would know what I'm talking about. If you or anyone else were to have a problem with paying an extra couple of dollars for extra security, then you have every right not to use their services.

3. All the government has to do is set up industry standards to make sure that the bus company ensures safe passage for their customers, no different than the industry standards set up in other forms of business.

4. Have properly trained security to make sure that the depots are safe and to make sure, combined with metal detectors, that no weapons get on the bus. This doesn't mean putting scared to death guys in their early twenties with minimal training and no way to enforce the rules in the bus depot...it means using trained security. Not the National Guard, not the secret police, not the CIA or CSIS, just properly trained security.

I don't know how much more clear I can make myself, but if we were to listen to you and your know it all attitude, then just leave things the way they are so people can continue to get away with bull# like this. Excuse my language, but I'm just so dumbfounded that you have nothing better to do with your time than pick an argument with me over getting some security into a form of mass transit that has hardly any security to begin with. We're not talking about RFID chips or warrantless phone tapping. We're talking about bare minimal security at a place were there's no security and it resulted in a guy's head being cut off. There's plenty of other things on this site to start pointless arguments over, so why not focus on that instead?



reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 04:14 PM by matth
reply to post by Unit541



I agree 100% Unit. The fact that nobody came to the guy's aid is pretty unbelievable!

Some additional information I got from CBC Newsworld's television report that the victim was between the ages of 18-22, while the accused was in his 40's. I guess they're not releasing the names of either person at this time.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 04:30 PM by Pumcy
Originally posted by Siren
With all the people on the bus, and being that there is strength in numbers, I wonder why nobody tried to subdue him.

They need to investigate what is causing the zombie like state of these killers. Evidently, it is not just occurring in the U.S.

This is extremely weird.



Originally posted by Unit541
Wow. Just wow.

It's sickening to me that nobody would try to help the victim. It sounds like there might not have been an opportunity to save him, but damn. We're not going to make it as a species if we don't start having some compassion for our fellow human beings.



Originally posted by matth
reply to
post by Unit541



I agree 100% Unit. The fact that nobody came to the guy's aid is pretty unbelievable!

Some additional information I got from CBC Newsworld's television report that the victim was between the ages of 18-22, while the accused was in his 40's. I guess they're not releasing the names of either person at this time.



You guys all need to read more about the situation. Everyone here that claimed no one tried to help is just plain wrong.

when the incident first occured one passenger yelled "stop the bus someone is getting stabbed!". The guy that was being stabbed was taking shots to the THROAT!. Reports indicated that the attacker just kept stabbing the kid in the neck. I'm sure it would have been a disgusting gruesome scene. Understandable so, people started trampling out of the bus. The guy had a friggen hunting knife in his hand and was stabbing someone CALMLY!
I think the most unnerving thing is that there was no emotion. he wasnt shouting or yelling or cursing. There was no rage.
That is terrifying. I'd be reluctant to do anything about that too. Especailly since it was throat stabbing.

But to get to the point where you are all wrong. Reports are indicating that the 3 biggest guys went back in to the bus only to have this psycho chase them to the front of the bus slashing the air. You can't get close to that. Reports go on to say that they were forced to hold the door of the bus closed as the attacker was stabbing at the glass to get at them.
On top of all that, there were families with children on the bus. Anyone with a child there would obviously be more concered about the well being of thier child. Both physically and psychologically.


BTW: I live in Winnipeg and have been following this story since i woke up this morning. Quite a terrifying ordeal.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by Pumcy]



reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 04:45 PM by matth
reply to post by Pumcy



I don't believe that anyone is wrong for thinking that is it pretty amazing that nobody rushed him to stop him. But at the same time you're not wrong for thinking they did the right thing by not rushing him.

If somebody was being stabbed, and there were enough people to rush him to stop it, then I personally would attempt to stop the person. But, you can't blame somebody for NOT attempting to stop him or her. I was just stating that it's pretty amazing that nobody at all tried to stop him, as in I was surprised, not in a judgmental way.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 05:53 PM by kidney thief
Originally posted by matth
Originally posted by CO Vet
reply to
post by matth



I don't know how much more clear I can make myself, but if we were to listen to you and your know it all attitude, then just leave things the way they are so people can continue to get away with bull# like this. Excuse my language, but I'm just so dumbfounded that you have nothing better to do with your time than pick an argument with me over getting some security into a form of mass transit that has hardly any security to begin with. We're not talking about RFID chips or warrantless phone tapping. We're talking about bare minimal security at a place were there's no security and it resulted in a guy's head being cut off. There's plenty of other things on this site to start pointless arguments over, so why not focus on that instead?


"Continue to get away with BS like this"?? who has gotten away with anything.>??

You say a metal detector would be non invasive but how are they going to scan everyones stow-away luggage for metal without emptying the contents, there are going to be dozens of metallic objects that woulkd set it off, every bag would have to be searched. That means arriving 3 hours before your bus leaves just like at an airport. If they only scan your person as you board, whats to say a knife or anything else isnt in the stow away? you are allowed to access your stuff along the way at a lengthier stop arent ya?

You were the one that lumped the situation with the "druggies" and homeless in the station, together with the normal seeming homicidal maniac. You said before Armed Security, i suppose these security forces will be the same ones used to clear these unsavory types from the terminal... so guess what happens when you give frightened guards with a "grade 10" education a gun, or since its the age of Non Compliance weapons, Tasers...
You say hire trained security, thats a hefty fare increase to pay because of one single incident.
the whole purpose people ride the greyhound is often because its a lot cheaper than flying with less hassle (and not because they love being stuck on a bus for 10 times longer than it would take them to drive it themselves in a car).. this extra security would kill any incentive to use the greyhound in the first place.
There are dozens of stops along the HWYs that are small and are basically just a bus stop, security is going to be placed at each of these locations??

My original post was in respect to your reaction to the incident and how you started going off on those you found unsavory and uindesirable hanging around the terminal, while if security was doing their job to remove those who Threatened Your Comfort Level, they wouldve apparently skipped over this guy.
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