Originally posted by Daedalus3
there's no point building a vessel that cannot compare to its competitors.
With regards to China, I don't follow that reasoning. Mao asked Russia for help building nuclear subs and was denied. He vowed they'd get them even
if it took 10,000 years. We're talking about a communist totalitarian state. They wanted a nuclear submarine for "bragging rights" no matter how
crappy they were. Look at us, we can make them too, we have "arrived".
The fact they'd get creamed in a sub on sub encounter vs a foreign Navy doesn't mean they're useless. No matter how bad, they'd have some
Say a war broke out with Japan, they'd be useful against merchant shipping.
Same goes for the Shang. Just because it's outclassed against the US/UK sub fleet, or even an Indian operated Akula II, doesn't mean it's not worth
Originally posted by Daedalus3
The Han and Xia were technological stepping stones, the first of the nuclear kind for the Chinese.
You comment about the Nautilus just proves what you're trying to downplay and not.
The Chinese do not have nuclear submarine experience that began yesterday.
The Han and Xia class subs were utter failures. High radiation, barely seaworthy, noisey as hell. I doubt they ever stayed at sea longer than a month
at a time. Being so unreliable negates one of the major advantages to nuclear propulsion: endurance.
Seriously, the Nautilus's 1950s era sonar and weapons systems are most likely outclassed. But I would not be surprised if it was quieter and harder
to track than the first Chinese subs. The Han might sink itself, or break down and need to surface and return to port, at which point it's a sitting
I know the Nautilus was capable of reaching the East China Sea, after all it went to the North Pole, and other American nuke subs of the era like USS
Triton circumnavigated the globe submerged. But I'm not sure a Han SSN would make it across the Pacific to California and back.
Originally posted by Daedalus3Let me turn this around a bit and ask you another question:
How would you rate the Seawolf/Virginia/LA class boats against the Barracuda and Astute class vessels?
In terms of what ? I think the Astute class will be a great asset. Overall I'd say it will definitely exceed all the LA boats' capabilities. Its
sonar and weapons systems are probably just as good as Seawolf or Virginia class. A lot of the same contractors supply both Navies.
Barracuda I don't know much about other than it is smaller and probably not designed with the same mission flexibility as an American/British SSN. In
terms of silence and combat sensors, it's got to be at least as good as the last of the 688s, probably better. How close it comes to Seawolf or
Virginia I don't know.
Originally posted by Harlequin
i have seen that the akula`s have 2 retractable `crawl speed` fullly electric propulsors - now these can be used for ultra silent running - or could
possibly be maneuvering
but why fit them for anything other that silent running at crawl rate?
I'd guess they're for maneuvering. Not submerged operations, but for moving to and away from a pier.
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