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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:15 PM
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Genetic analyisis of the ancient Basque people, inhabitants of the Pyranees mountains of Spain

Our Forgotten History- Atlantis
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Genetic Analysis of the Ancient Basques connects them to Atlantis and Atlantean refugees in the Gobi desert
www.edgarcayce.org...

The Math of the the Egyptian God Thoth. It is similar to Chinese philosophy. Thoth was an Atlantean not a fictional "God" as Egyptologists believed.

www.valdostamuseum.org...

A page with info about the Tarot-
www.crystalinks.com...

The Fool card, appears on a journey to Shargung La-


Thoth was the top Egyptian God, but actually an Atlantean. He was Hermes, Jesus Christ, Adam in other lives. Seeing the signs of the coming destruction of Atlantis, just prior to the final destruction, he and his soul mate Atlanteans went around the world, to Egypt, Pyranees, the Yucutan, and finally Tibet. He and Atlanteans set up proper monastaries for cultivation, and helped raise all kindred spirits trapped in this plane, to at least the current human body level and could now incarnate as the human beings of today. He put the knowledge and mysteries of enlightenment into secret oracles such as the Tarot card, making it hard to understand by many people, and only the most sinscere would find the way. In this way the skills, methods, and teachings of Atlantis could be preserved until today.


www.alchemylab.com...

The teachings of Hermes -- the Hermetic tradition -- is one of the oldest spiritual traditions in the world, and while no direct evidence links the Emerald Tablet to Eastern religions, it shares uncanny similarities in concepts and terminology with Taoism, Hinduism, and Buddhism.





"Preserve them and guard them,
hide them in symbols,
so the profane will laugh and renounce.
In every land, form ye the mysteries.
Make the way hard for the seeker to tread.

Thus will the weak and the wavering be rejected.
Thus will the secrets be hidden and guarded,


held till the time when the wheel shall be turned."
www.crystalinks.com...


"Now give I the Key to Shamballa,
the place where my Brothers live in the darkness:
Darkness but filled with Light of the Sun
ODarkness of Earth, but Light of the Spirit,
guides for ye when my day is done."



Many ki practices originate from Tibetan mountains and even the Shargung La area in Tibet-

Atlantean cultivation-
www.atlantis.to...

Images
www.hiddenfalls.org...

"Western logic is inadequate to explain certain phenomena that we experienced here," says Gil. "We saw rivers flowing side-by-side but in opposite directions. We would be guided back onto lost trails by Tibetan priests directing us to follow brilliant double rainbows. Local hunters would miraculously appear out of the mists to lead us to our next destination.

www.atlantis.to...


So atlantis and ancient civilisations were destroyed, but some remnants of the culture remained. The knowledge had to be kept hidden to kings and emperors while the people with the knowledge could still work in society, either teaching about spirituality, or working to improve the world in other ways. "Gypsies" had the tarot card, which start and end with the fool card, a fool for the universal will. The Kaballah in the west is also related as well as the I ching.in the east.

An Atlantean Headquarters, and primary monastery was constructed at Shargung La in Tibet. Other similar ones were constructed in the Pyranees mountains of Spain, and in the Yucatan. Throughout time, some of the Atlantean monks made the sacrifice to leave the monastery and teach the world, their teachings would become world religions and be branches of the CLO. Then over time, branches of the branches would appear in the human world.




Shargung La





Pyranees








Some of those of the light, retreated to Egypt and built the Great Pyramids there



Pyramids of Egypt











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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Chinese and Tibetan Pyramids
members.tripod.com...




Wuji- the formless, shapeless, nebulous, great void, before creation

Taiji- the beginning of creation, experience, companionship, and duality, Yang and Yin turning around and eternally alternating giving birth to thousands of things within certain planes in the universe.


Yang, one extreme pole-Yin, the other extreme pole-

SmallYang-BigYang-BigYin-SmallYin-



8 trigrams, Pre-Heaven arrangememt

Mountain, Water, Thunder, Heaven, Earth, Wind, Fire, Lake.

And- N, NE, E, SE, S, SW, W, NW




Post-Heaven Arrangement(trinity)-

Father, 1st Son, 2nd Son, 3rd Son, Mother, 1st Daughter, 2nd Daughter, 3rd Daughter




Wu Ji, Tai Ji, Yin Yang, 8 trigrams, and Color
www.yijing.nl...


Light travels at 296,000 meters per second or 186,000 miles per second and doesn't need a medium to travel in. All colors of light travel at the same speed, but they have different wave frequencies (short and long waves).

Light can be reflected or refracted. In reflection, light bounces off a surface and is diffused. Light travels in a straight line and refraction is the bending of this light. The light breaks up into different frequencies therefore causing a rainbow or a "broken" look.

Light falling on an object may be absorbed, or reflected. What happens to it depends on the color of the object: a red object reflects red light and absorbs much of the rest of the other colors that we see. The color of an object is that color which is reflected rather than absorbed.

Refraction is the change in direction of a wave due to a change in its velocity. This is most commonly seen when a wave passes from one medium to another. Refraction of light is the most commonly seen example, but any type of wave can refract when it interacts with a medium, for example when sound waves pass from one medium into another.

In optics, refraction occurs when light waves travel from a medium with a given refractive index to a medium with another. At the boundary between the media, the wave's phase velocity is altered, it changes direction, and its wavelength increases or decreases but its frequency remains constant. For example, a light ray will refract as it enters and leaves glass;





www.biosonic.org...

Light Pigment relationship. To experiment with light complementary is rather simple, look at an intense red for one minute and then turn your eyes to look at a white surface, there you will see appearing the same shape of the red object in a slightly fluorescent cyan. Or project a spectrum from a prism on to a white wall, if we put in front of the projected rainbow colors a red filter the portion of blue cyan of the spectrum will disappear or putting a cyan filter the red portion of the spectrum will disappear. Instead if we put a magenta filter the portion of green will disappear, so it is relatively simple to know that cyan and red are complementary, as well as green to magenta in the radiant light principle. It is not as easy to find out this complementary color in the pigment absorption quality of color. Whenever we mix three color pigments together we reach black, meanwhile whenever we mix three coloured lights we reach white coherent light. If we mix green light with red light we get yellow going to white, meanwhile if we mix a red pigment with green pigment we get brown, going to black




I remember seeing on a show something about the layout of the places where the pyramids were built on different continents, Egypt and mexico , being 1/100,000th of the earths suface, perhaps using earth meridians, no one knew for sure how they measured it



Interesting ancient finds from around the world
www.freerepublic.com...
www.cuba.cu...
www.cuba.cu...
www.crystalinks.com...
www.crystalinks.com...
www.grahamhancock.com...

Even National Geographic admits prehistoric civilization are submerged under the sea
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Info-
www.nii.net...


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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:24 PM
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High level, perhaps dangerous level power, terra forming?
www.s8int.com...
www.ambergriscaye.com...
www.pureinsight.org...
www.s8int.com...
www.s8int.com...
ufoevidence.conforums.com...&num=1057134096[ /URL]
[URL=http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/galleries/belize/photo2.html]http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photogra...ize/photo2.html
www.atlantisrising.com...


Underground tunnels are mentioned in many supposed unrelated teachings. Such as the DSS and Hopi prophecy
www.marsearthconnection.com...

Redating the sphinx-
members.aol.com...
www.lyghtforce.com...

Underground pictures. Under every layer is a deeper level, Hall of Records, Perhaps Thoths Chamber or Ship-
phoenix.akasha.de...

Megaliths submerged under the sea off of Cuba

According to the investigators, these structures seem to be remains of streets, pyramids and buildings. Most of these blocks have gigantic dimensions, reaching to five meters of height and several tons of weight.

Internal Cross



24 miles across terra forming


Belize. Massively drilled botomless holes by dark Belilian Atlanteans. To exctract molten power from deep inside the earth, which created unstable land and Atlantis eventually sank from unnatural volcanoes, drilled holes, and widespread severe environmental destruction and pollution which made the earth more unstable
Click on link
www.ambergriscaye.com...
www.ambergriscaye.com...

Map



Most intriguingly, researchers using sonar equipment have discovered, at a depth of about 2,200 feet (700-800 meters), a huge land plateau with clear images of what appears to be urban development partly covered by sand.






Sure looks like some big ol cosmic duck stomped on that territory south o' Cuba. Origin of accounts of THE FLOOD?




ocean images. Roads and Tunnels?-
s8int.com...

Author R.J. Archer passed along some interesting new information on the Cuba underwater site. Apparently submerged lines have been discovered in various parts of the world which could have been roads. The new photos are actually by Satellite discoveries. A quote from his Blog:

“While the true nature of these linear patterns is not yet known, Satellite Discoveries has determined that the width of the lines is in the photos is consistent with the width of roads! If they are roads, the underwater ruins known as MEGA may turn out to be just the tip of the iceberg (no pun intended) when it comes to Caribbean mysteries.

Unfortunately, the Cuban sites are inaccessible to most of us, but the Florida site is only 90 to 110 feet deep and accessible with SCUBA gear. Who’s going to be the first to know what’s out there?”


Also tunnels and roads underwater-
www.nwidi.org...

actual images CLICK ON IMAGES -
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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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I personally don't like it when somebody takes a little bit of information and then just runs crazy with it, trying to incorporate every single bit of mythology possible. So Thoth is Jesus and Leonardo Da Vinci and John F. Kennedy, huh?

How about just narrowing the focus here a little bit and maybe there could be something here worth finding out? Sheesh.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Howdy Hollywood




Genetic analyisis of the ancient Basque people, inhabitants of the Pyranees mountains of Spain


I don't see how that claim is supported by the sources you posted. Could you point to the study and its conclusions?

In particular the Iragirre and Rua study. What you seem to be quoting is an interpretation of that study from the bias point of view of Edgar Cayce believers. What does the underlying study say?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:31 PM
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Yeah most christians don't realize that Jesus Christ was a reincarnation of Adam.

Similar to how Jon the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune
What does the underlying study say?


A "study" is just collection of data and facts, studies don't "say" anything in and of themselves.

Once the "theorizing" starts however is when scientists run into problems. It's when human scientists try to fit the study with their pre-concieved beliefs about history and their beliefs about darwinsism and evolution that things go wrong.

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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:36 PM
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Ah as I suspected you haven't actually read any of this stuff have you? LOL
So Hollywood did you just copy and paste this from somewhere else?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:39 PM
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What we see in this thread is scientific data and scientific facts that independantly corroborate and fit with what we had already known for a long time due to information gained from Edgar Cayce, the bible, and other ancient traditions. Namely, that Atlantis existed 12,000 years ago and was very sophisticated and very advanced.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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What we see in this thread is scientific data and scientific facts that independantly corroborate and fit with what we had already known for a long time due to information gained from Edgar Cayce, the bible, and other ancient traditions. Namely, that Atlantis existed 12,000 years ago and was very sophisticated and very advanced.


No you don't, Hollywood you're such saying empty verbage. I'll ask again, this is a specific question on a source YOU posted.

The claim that a genetic study (by Izagirre and Rua of the Basque supports they came from Atlantis. Have you read this report? I have read the abstract? Now explain how you got that conclusion from that report. No BS, no propanganda just an explanation.

Have fun

LOL



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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The data is completely consistent with Edgar Cayce's acountings of Atlantis.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Hollywood11
The data is completely consistent with Edgar Cayce's acountings of Atlantis.



Ah Hollywood you haven't read the report - you're just making up stuff - I bet you cannot even FIND the report I'm talking about in all that material you posted.

Come on try and do some real research.....I'm timing you now, hop to it!



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 06:23 PM
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Ah well its seems Elvis has left the building.

This is what he cannot find in his own posted materials. I just love people who cut and paste stuff from elsewhere and don't even read it, especially the stuff that doesn't support what they are trying to say.

What he posted is a Edgar Cayce item that says it uses a real study to make it determination. I've read both and they have little in common.

Here is the actual abstract from the study: An mtDNA Analysis in Ancient Basque Populations: Implications for Haplogroup V as a Marker for a Major Paleolithic Expansion from Southwestern Europe .
The American Journal of Human Genetics , Volume 65 , Issue 1 , Pages 199 - 207 N . Izagirre , C . de la Rúa

Abstract Summary

mtDNA sequence variation was studied in 121 dental samples from four Basque prehistoric sites, by high-resolution RFLP analysis. The results of this study are corroborated by (1) parallel analysis of 92 bone samples, (2) the use of controls during extraction and amplification, and (3) typing by both positive and negative restriction of the linked sites that characterize each haplogroup. The absence of haplogroup V in the prehistoric samples analyzed conflicts with the hypothesis proposed by Torroni et al., in which haplogroup V is considered as an mtDNA marker for a major Paleolithic population expansion from southwestern Europe, occurring ∼10,000-15,000 years before the present (YBP). Our samples from the Basque Country provide a valuable tool for checking the previous hypothesis, which is based on genetic data from present-day populations. In light of the available data, the most realistic scenario to explain the origin and distribution of haplogroup V suggests that the mutation defining that haplogroup (4577 NlaIII) appeared at a time when the effective population size was small enough to allow genetic drift to act—and that such drift is responsible for the heterogeneity observed in Basques, with regard to the frequency of haplogroup V (0%–20%). This is compatible with the attributed date for the origin of that mutation (10,000–15,000 YBP), because during the postglacial period (the Mesolithic, ∼11,000 YBP) there was a major demographic change in the Basque Country, which minimized the effect of genetic drift. This interpretation does not rely on migratory movements to explain the distribution of haplogroup V in present-day Indo-European populations.

This is what the Edgarcayce.org says it says

Unfortunately it is an image so I can only link to it

The site



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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I thought they were found to be distant relatives of an east African tribe that migrated out of Africa about 70.000 years or so AGO?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 06:38 PM
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The basques themselves say they come from Atlaintika.

Basque book

Hes gone a bit overboard, but I could of told him that the Basques were from Atlantis free of all that hassle. My dad goes dark as teak in the sun, as does my Gran (my dads mother). She is 89 and spritesome still.

Her secret? shes an Atlantian. Woe betide any one who calls a Basque a 'spaniard'. Light the touch paper and run time.

A bit about Basques

LOL, my family tree would look like a vine creeping across europe from the south south west northwards, to meet the gene pool from the north north east some where in central UK. Talk about mix and match.lol.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 06:47 PM
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Interesting Read



Genetics is helping researchers trace the migration of the Basque people, a culture that originated in East Africa tens of thousands of years ago. By first tracking the female gene back 150,000 years to East Africa, scientists then followed the male Y chromosome to determine human whereabouts.


SOURCE



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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More DNA evidence
www.redicecreations.com...

If there is confusion about human origins Edgar Cayce can make it more clear
www.shellac.org...
www.dreamscape.com...


Man started out as semi etheric beings, but as material and selfish desires increased we fell further into the earth plane and fully materiialized as the 5 races

In the period, then -- some hundred, some ninety-eight thousand years before the entry of Ram into India -- there lived in this land of Atlantis one Amilius, who had first noted that of the separations of the beings as inhabited that portion of the earth's sphere or plane of those peoples into male and female as separate entities, or individuals. As to their forms in the physical sense, these were much rather of the nature of thought forms, or able to push out of themselves in that direction in which its development took shape in thought -- much in the way and manner as the amoeba would in the waters of a stagnant bay, or lake in the present. As these took form, by the gratifying of their own desire for that as built or added to the material conditions, they became hardened or set -- much in the form of the existent human body of the day, with that of color as partook of its surroundings much in the manner as the chameleon in the present. Hence coming into that form as the red, or the mixture peoples -- or colors; known then later by the associations as red race. These, then, able to use in their gradual development all the forces as were manifest in their individual surroundings, passing through those periods of developments as has been followed more closely in that of the yellow, the black, or the white races, in other portions of the world; yet with their immediate surroundings, with the facilities for the developments, these became much speedier in this particular portion of the globe than in others -- and while the destruction of this continent and the peoples are far beyond any of that as has been kept as an absolute record, that record in the rocks still remains -- as has that influence of those peoples in that life of those peoples to whom those did escape during the periods of destruction make or influence the lives of those peoples to whom they came. As they may in the present, either through the direct influence of being regenerated, or reincarnated into the earth, or through that of the mental application on through the influences as may be had upon thought of individuals or groups by speaking from that environ.




The point at which we fell from semi etheric beings to fully material happened sometime between 200,000 BC and 50,000 BC


Q. Was Atlantis one of the five points at which man appeared in the beginning, being the home of the red race?

A. One of the five points. As has been given, in what is known as Gobi, India, in Carpathia, or in that known as the Andes, and that known as in the western plain of what is now called America -- the five places. In their presentation, as we find, these -- in the five places, as man (Let's get the difference in that as first appeared (as thought forms) in what is known as Atlantis, and that as man appearing from those projections in the five places -- and, as has been given, from their environ took on that as became necessary for the meeting of those varying conditions under which their individualities and personalities began to put on form) -- one in the white, another in the brown, another in the black, another in the red. These, as we find, taking that form -- Would snow be the place for the black? or the sun the place for the white? or the desert and the hills for the white or the black? as were partakers of those things that brought about those variations in that which enters, or becomes as the outer presentation, or the skin, or the pigment that is presented in same.

Q. Did the appearance of the five races occur simultaneously?

A. Occurred at once.

Q. Describe the earth's surface at the period of the five projections?

A. This has been given. In the first, or that known as the beginning, or in the Caucasian and Carpathian, or the Garden of Eden, in that land which lies now much in the desert, yet much in mountain and much in rolling lands there. The extreme northern portions were then the southern portions, or the polar regions were then turned to where they occupied more of the tropical and semi-tropical regions; hence it would be hard to discern or discriminate the change. The Nile entered into the Atlantic Ocean. What is now the Sahara was an inhabited land and very fertile. What is now the central portion of this country, or the Mississippi basin, was then all in the ocean; only the plateau was existent, or the regions that are now portions of Nevada, Utah and Arizona formed the greater part of what we know as the United States. That along the Atlantic board formed the outer portion then, or the lowlands of Atlantis. The Andean, or the Pacific coast of South America, occupied then the extreme portion of Lemuria. The Urals and the northern regions of same were turned into a tropical land. The desert in the Mongolian land was then the fertile portion. This may enable you to form some concept of the status of the earth's representation at that time! The oceans were then turned about; they no longer bear their names, yet from whence obtained they their names? What is the legend, even as to their names?

Q. Are the following the correct places? Atlantean, the red?

A. Atlantean and American, the red race.

Q. Upper Africa for the black?

A. Or what would be known now as the more western portion of upper Egypt for the black. You see, with the changes -- when there came the uprisings in the Atlantean land, and the sojourning southward -- with the turning of the axis -- the white and yellow races came into that portion of Egypt, India, Persia and Arabia.


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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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Ah Hollywood

Of your three new sources, one is a site that just discusses DNA in a context of Edgar it offers no proof, just some rather confused opinion, the other two sources are just Edgars comments. You're using circular logic, your using the comments of the person your trying to prove knows what he talking about as proof that he does. That doesn't really work. Do you think it works?

You need independent confirmation

Oh are you still working on the Irrequire and Rua puzzle too? There's a test coming up soon.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:58 PM
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The Independnat corroboration is the Edgar Cayce Readings matching and being in line with the genetic evidence.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:11 PM
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Yes I know that is what you are saying but you aren't showing us any actual scientific data, just what Edgar said and others saying Edgar is right.

The only evidence you actually linked to (and I noted to you) didn't support it.

Seems you are in Minsk with a cold bowl of borshch and not a kopec to your name.





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