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reply posted on 8-5-2012 @ 11:13 AM by Hanslune
Originally posted by tri-lobe-1
Originally posted by Hanslune
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Oh so you made it exactly like the stone version or did you correct the mistakes in the original?


Hans.....

Can you enlighten me ...Mistakes in the original..??????

Are you referring to the item in the Cairo Museum.....being restorded,glued back together?????

So what mistakes where in the original.... When it was found in pieces by Walter Emery..?????

Have you ever seen this item with your own eyes???


Yes several times. Its a fantastic piece of stone work but its still lop-sided



Again in your recreation: have you maintained the original errors or corrected them to make the bowl 'perfect'?

Someone else asked about more pictures of similar metalsiltstone bowls

I believe you can find them in this source

Ancient Egyptian stone vessels: materials and forms. Heidelberger Orientverlag, Heidelberg, ISBN 3927552127

Denys A. Stocks, Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology: Stoneworking Technology in Ancient Egypt, Routledge, New York, 2003.



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reply posted on 10-5-2012 @ 08:37 AM by one4all
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Come on Reddpill,someone has to wear the white hat here,we all cant stay in the dark,if you can post the relevance of form and function that is here ,then it is impossible to not see how David Hamels craft produces a similar effect and uses the impeller to facilitate the control of the neutral dimension field or "buble" this is what facilitates the levitation we see.

The Canadian Hutchison and others use harmonics and sound to create the neutral dimension field.

The Canadian Hamel and others use magnets in rejection put into perpetual motion via the use of granite balls and pinions to create the same effect that Hutchison uses sound to produce.

BOTH mens methods require an impeller to make the control and viability of the ionised air possible.

I guess I am simply saying it is impossible to miss these facts.Once they are pointed out there is no room for negotiation and no need for more "proof",this is silly already,everyone here is smart enough to read and type so this is baffeling.

I really cant accept that when people so much smarter than me recieve direction or tips that they REFUSE to take things forward.

I have been harking about this for years here and I KNOW how smart some of the posters here are,so what gives??What is everyone afraid of??

Who cares who finds what piece of the puzzle??Whats wrong here??I was learning about the late and respected alternative dimension theorist and inventor-contactee David Hamels data ,when I was led to a site that covered the Egyptian side of Hamels work,and I found the tri-lobed impeller,INSTANTLY,and I immediatly recognised the connection between Hamels info and theorys and interpretations of the egyptian data as being REAL AND TANGIBLE, it is impossible to deny when you are led there by an inventor and theorists work,remember I wasnt looking for stone bowls or un-identified artifacts,I was looking for working functioning parts of a Hamel/Teacher craft,or neutral dimension craft.And I found them---and you are all a part of it because it is what it is,I couldnt have made up my path to this piece of technology if you had paid me to do it.

Put it this way,until very smart people who are linear thinkers like the majority of us are ,start to follow the leads of the visual thinkers,humanity is screwed.Listen to this and listen closely,you can spend your entire lives trying to find the "proof"that your linear thinking mind requires or will accept or maybe can quantify--that is not good enough anymore.Read the sumerian texts and look at who supported their kings,the number two person was a SAVANT,and we all know what that is,it is a visual thinker plain and simple.I am not kidding here because our world has plenty of savants in it,but we are medicating them all as kids.In some countrys they are already createing a DNA database of all Autistic children,do you people understand this in a lineal manner or what???Do you GET IT??Someone is tracking,locateing,and listing,ALL OF OUR VISUAL THINKERS,our weapons are being inventoried.Someone plans or harnessing these minds.or stealing DNA and creating their own.

I have made my point ,so put it this way,I two moved an experienced chess player in my second game EVER,60mins earlier I had to be told what every pieces limitations were,but I utilised what many years later I found was Kasparovs trademark move.I AM A VISUAL THINKER.And seeing these things is simple for me as it is for many others who didnt get the verbal and reading skills I managed to get,I read the entire set of encyclopedias and two massive dictionaries before I was TEN,every word of every page of every book,no kidding.And I tolerated conventional schooling as long as I could,lets just say I became a constant learner and walked the world instead of the halls of a learning institution/prison.If you watch TED Talks --the episode with TEMPLE GRANDIN and then start protecting humanitys future and stop this DNA tracking and listing before it is to late.

I UNDERSTAND how a linear or whatever--I use the word linear simply because I dont have time to define it more accurately and I dont know if there is already an existing description,I see it i dont think of a word for it,there doesnt need to be a word to describe what I see,that is what my brain is for,others brains are for the research and definitions.
Mine sees the picture and i try to tell other what I see in as close of terms to those they already know as I can,you see THEY are smart and specialised,and their strengths lie in useing that power,I am a visual thinker who sees 1000 times more detail in a thought than a linear specialised thinker can see,but I NEED linear thinkers to do the research and proper defining of the visuals I see.With the internet-I dont even need linear thinkers.


reply posted on 10-5-2012 @ 09:05 AM by one4all
Sorry,i ran out of space,anyways,I and other visual thinkers NEED validation by linear thinkers,we NEED many of them so we can CROSSREFERENCE what they each individually see with the VISUAL PICTURES WE ARE SEEING,and we simple TRANSLATE ALL THE LINEAR THINKERS CONTRIBUTIONS AND CREATE A COMMON GROUND OR COMPLETE PICTURE,we use all of the linear thinkers contributions to ERASE pieces of the visual we already have,NOT TO ADD PIECSE AS THEY GIVE THEM TO US,remember we ALREADY have the complete visual 1000 times over in our heads WITHOUT TRYING,there is no effort for us,we just see it,but it would take the effort of ten or more linear thinkers to equal what we can see without even breaking a sweat.It is just what it is,its like a large mans muscles,oh yea we all know we can life weights and get huge,but WE need to bust our butts WORKING EXTRA HARD to get huge----but some people just get huge without trying to be that way,its the same with visual thinkers,we could all do it but it would take MOST of us A LOT OF HARD WORK to do ,and we would have to keep working out our minds or we would lose our edge like a man would lose his muscle if he had to work to add it where nature had not.|Constant learning and a firm acceptance and realisation that YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU TRY,EXACTLY like working out your bodys muscles.

And yes I know it sounds vain and all that crap,but so what??On the beach when a muscle man walks by you and your girlfriend you will try to say he is vain and self-obsessed,but you dont know that,you dont know that the man wasnt just born that way and has had to tolerate being huge his entire life,you ASSUME because he is different than you and because YOU feel he is better in some way that you need to be defensive and compare yourself,it is a natural reaction,but so is acceptance,so if you took the time to simply talk to him you would find out what he is like and how he got how he is,yiou might be surprised at what you discover.

So I may not currently have the accurate terminology via language to satisfy linear thinking minds every step of the way,but unfortunately because linear thinking HOBBLES the majority of us from EVER thinking visually,I MUST leap forward past most people constantly,and then try to find ways to LATER explain my path,its wayyyyy hard work for me and it really does nothing but make different linear thinkers feel comfortable at different times,No visual thinker has that kind of patience,and we NEED co-operation andunderstanding and trust from linear thinkers to take them places they cannot themselves immediatly see,but remember that visual thinkers NEED validation from linear thinkers so it all balances out with proper communication,what the heck do you think the Sumerians were thinking??They were not stupid,they were HONEST,and they acted on and supported RESULTS,if you didnt produce results they didnt entertain your thinking style,but SAVANTS were the kings right hand people.


So when I say the tri-lobed impeller,is an impeller,I cannot possibly build you a model or walk you through every single technical term,but there SURE ARE MANY HERE WHO COULD ACCURATELY DO THAT FOR ALL OF US,so where are these linear thinkers when we need them??Complaining and whineing for more "proof"from everyone else,none of them want to work for anything ,just point fingers at each other constantly because they cannot get on the same page,the Tower of babel screwed up their ancestors and they cannot think visually anymore,they are "hobbled"but we can bust them free if they can simply SEE THEY ARE TRAPPED,but they dont they all stubbornly fight to keep their own reality in a position of dominance and the learning process is mulitplyed by 100000 times in degrees of difficulty and time required.we dont have enough lifetime to think this way and make humanitarian progress,do you see this is part of a designed hamstring that has been done to humanity as a whole??


Come on ,I know some of you who are wayyyyy smarter than me in a formal manner understand EXACTLY what I am saying,we need some support here already.As I said it is IMPOSSIBLE for a prior poster to describe the form and function of this piece so closely to what it does and for those same people to NOT SEE WHAT I AM SAYING,only if they REFUSE to research hamel and Hutchison and searl and others can this mind-freeze happen.

Or if their pride is hurt because an uneducated pperson can go places they cannot and it scares them so badly they cannot move forward,they freeze because their preconcieved perspective of the world as they know it is threatened.

This is why we progress at a snails pace,the sumerians KNEW how our species had been :hobbled"and they utilised the cure effectively,they embraced RESULTS and therefore embraced SAVANTS,today we fear them and diagnose them and medicate them so we can erase them and keep our linear thinking world as linear as we can make it .

I magine what i could do with a lab full of people.
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reply posted on 10-5-2012 @ 09:27 AM by one4all
Ha ha ha ha,remember the game when you were a kid,"which one of these things is not like the others"?

Well when I see an item like the tri-lobed bowl,my mind immediatly knows it is not like the others,so I START THERE,I dont need to screw around wasteing time "proveing"it isnt a bloody bowl,that is OBVIOUS,only if you accept the "hobbled"perspectives of those to slow to keep up will you even consider looking for proof it isnt a bowl.Do you see how backwards this method of deduction is??

So if we clearly see it isnt a bowl and it is a designed piece of technology,then we have narrowed doown the possibilitys of its original form and function by literally billions of possibilitys,we now know for a fact it is a piece of technology,we just need to find out what type of technology,but that would seem IMPOSSIBLE to do without some sort of connection,ENTER DAVID HAMEL and others---ushered in by One4all,thank you very much.You see my logic is inescapable,if you refuse to be "hobbled"by linear thinking,and trust me the proof is there,you cannot say it isnt as I have MUCH MORE CIRCUMSTANCIAL SUPPORT THAN ANYONE ELSE POSTING ON THIS TOPIC.
youtu.be...

Please watch this video and understand how a visual thinker is forced to accept the world when faced with the numerical opposition of many many linear thinkers all hungry to learn and take a next step when they dont even know where to put there foot down to take that step.

So whos stepping back up to the plate now??Come on now,lets make this piece fit into something we can call"proof".

Why would any of you waste one more word on this topic before you "prove"me wrong???If you can.

What kind of denial would one have to be under the spell of to NOT see how Hamels craft works??To NOT see how Hutchisons theory works??If you canot even see that ,ha ha ha ,seriously,why bother??What are you doing wasteing you time chaseing your own tails and looking to each other for support in the game???


Prove me wrong or spit me out,but for your own benefit take a small bite of what I have to offer and then decide what to do,but the bite means you need to trust me enough to look where I say and at what I say,i mean really--dont you trust yourself??I am not asking you to believe in a god or some diety,I am simply asking you to look in a specific direction for something that already exists,I am sending you to the "proof"your linear thinking minds requires,so why fight me??Why not help me??Unless of course you DONT REALLY WANT THE PROOF,but instead you want to continue searching for answers as you keep your eyes and minds tightly shut,its just a game of comfort,its all about staying safe and takeing no risks,we need to take risks to find our future together.

Someone take a risk and read up on Hamel and learn what he was creating,and then read up on Hutchison and what he was creating,then post back here with your own description in your own words,someone needs to bring the linear thinkers on board,and it needs to be ONE OF YOU LINEAR THINKERS WHO IS WILLING TO TAKE A RISK OR A LEAP OF FAITH.

Then tell us all in linear thinking words and terms what the Impeller was designed to do.Or tell us all WHY it doesnt fit anywhere into Hamels or Hutchisons,or BOTH mens technologys.

You see first you need to understand and accept that these technologys are real and have been around since the dawn of time.We are re-discovering them today.Unless you can accept this you cannot even take the first step your linear mind needs to take .You must trust people more than the books you learned from--remember the books controlled you and the internet frees you by provideing unlimited and uncensored data,remember you can GO BACK TO YOUR OLD THINKING ANY TIME YOU CHOOSE--JUST AS YOU CAN LEAP FORWARD.But what happens if you NEVER leap forward???At twelve years old i would re-phrase my teachers questions during class at will and effectively,I would tell kids who were stuck on an idea where to go to get unstuck---because I read my entire textbook in the first week of school,do you understand that??When I read the entire text i learned what the teachers were seeing,or rather thinking--I was seeing it live,ha ha ha.

I didnt wait because there was no reason to wait,why??Because the work was to hard,ha ha ha,all kids can do ten times more than we let them do,we just choose to direct them into specialisations and we want everyone to "feel'equal,ha ha ha,its impossible to make everyone "equal"especially in a learning environment,holding one student back is a crime,and pushing others is also a crime,we are what we are and we learn in our own ways at our own paces,forceing people into specialised learnig is a huge mistake.Put it this way everyone holding a medical license passed their tests,but some passed with a 50% and some passed with a 90% mark,they all passed but the 50%ers worked their butts off and maxed out their potential just to get the 50% while the 90%ers just showed up and absorbed.Who the heel do you want working on you??You see equality is an illusion,teamwork is a reality,And propping up the wrong people in the wrong positions intentionally "hobbles"humanitys path ,it is a crime.We cannot hinder humanity so some people "feel"better about themselves and then go on in their professional live to screw up our progress by constantly argueing and fighting their own personal progress,mostly because they never belonged in a position to be contrarian in the first place,if they could barely keep up in school how the heel can they take humanity forward anywhere???They cannot,[plain and simple ,so therefore 75% of our scientists,physicists,doctors,and theorists,DONT EVEN REMOTELY BELONG IN THE POSITIONS THEY ARE IN THEY ARE NOT DESIGNED TO BE FORWARD THINKERS,they are designed as support personell,and they are spoiled and put in positions unnatural to them by a very flawed system that was designed to keep humanitys best mids out of the loop,a system designed by the lineal thinking majority.

It should be easy for the majority to prove me wrong but instead they insiste that I give THEM "proof",ha ha ha,learn to learn,or trust me and support me and others like me.Or not,its really no big deal to us as visual thinkers--its not like we will take everyones jobs or anything,we are not that numerous,however it seems that more and more babies are being born visual thinkers every day,Autisic,Aspergers,Dyslexia,ect they are all versions of visual thinkers to some degree,and the ones who learn good communication and reading skills end up like me uneducated people with visual thinking abilitys,or like some of my friends being molecular DNA specialists,or physisists,and the ones we cannot fit into our flawed educational system are underutilised and not even recognised,it is a crime against humanity.

Show me why this isnt an impeller,you are the majority after all,so show me how silly I am and how there is no way possible I am right,it should be quite easy to do,right??Ha ha ha ha.And if it isnt so easy or if I am right ,i need a job,ha ha ha.But I need catre-blanche to be effective and a huge resource base to provide fast results,the potential is truly unlimited.And there are many just like me if you know where to look,try the nuthouse,most visual thinkers are pigeon-holed from youth and treated as if they were in some way deficient,which i guess compared to the "hobbled"majority ,they are.

As a boy I stalked a white-tailed deer and touched it when it was bedded down sleeping,I hunted before that but I couldnt rationalise the killing when the hard part was the touching,ha ha ha,for many many mnay years I have stuffed that down the throats of hunters,hukers,wildlife officers,Natives,you name it noene of them believe me,ha ha ha,but the sweetest part is that not one has ever asked to learn how I did it??Ha ha ha.They are afraid to lear,they know they are hugely outclassed so instead of trying to lear they try to defend themselves by denying the possibility and saying that they would have to see it to believe it,ha ha ha,just read my words and you SHOULD see it as I did ,ha ha ha,if you are brave enough to accept a challenge as big as that that could rock your world.Just like here and now,PROVE ME WRONG ABOUT THE IMPELLER---it should be easy ,right???Just a wee bit of reading----or is it really a lifetime of understanding you dont have time to live ,and without my lead you would never ever get there??A wee bit of reading sounds like a pretty good deal to me,ha ha ha.



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reply posted on 10-5-2012 @ 10:42 AM by punkinworks10
Originally posted by Hanslune
Originally posted by tri-lobe-1
Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by tri-lobe-1


Oh so you made it exactly like the stone version or did you correct the mistakes in the original?


Hans.....

Can you enlighten me ...Mistakes in the original..??????

Are you referring to the item in the Cairo Museum.....being restorded,glued back together?????

So what mistakes where in the original.... When it was found in pieces by Walter Emery..?????

Have you ever seen this item with your own eyes???


Yes several times. Its a fantastic piece of stone work but its still lop-sided



Again in your recreation: have you maintained the original errors or corrected them to make the bowl 'perfect'?

Someone else asked about more pictures of similar metalsiltstone bowls

I believe you can find them in this source

Ancient Egyptian stone vessels: materials and forms. Heidelberger Orientverlag, Heidelberg, ISBN 3927552127

Denys A. Stocks, Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology: Stoneworking Technology in Ancient Egypt, Routledge, New York, 2003.



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Hi Hans,
A few years ago there was a travelling Egyptian exhibit at a museum in san Francisco. And they had a couple of similar bowls on display.
I was dumbfounded at the skill it takes to pyroduce such am item from stone, they are masterpieces of stone carving. But as you pointed out above they are far from being symetrical and uniform.
And being that I deal with pumps in my work, I can say without a doubt the original object could never function as a pump impeller. Its non uniformity would cause it to self destruct from vibration.


reply posted on 10-5-2012 @ 12:33 PM by one4all
reply to post by punkinworks10


We are talking about directing ionised air,not water or oil or a fluid with mass and viscosity.

And due to the fact that the item is manufactured useing already established technology,it is likely a reproduction of the original or a template from the original,but this doesnt mean it is not a functioning part just how it is,as I said we are talking about the impeller being used to direct ionised air flow,not fluids.

I worked with pumps in lots of my jobs as well,and a fluid application isnt at all what I am referring to.How does your pump experience tell you an impeller might be required to perform if it is asked to impell ionised air??What is your evaluation from that perspective??
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reply posted on 10-5-2012 @ 06:51 PM by reddpill
reply to post by one4all

It's about planting a seed. How someone interprets it is up to them but I cannot force my opinion on others because it becomes personal, attacking their dogma and belief system, which people find personally insulting. It's up to them if they wish change their way of thinking and see things from a different angle.

I understand the technology and what you are suggesting, however I see it as having multiple uses and is the basis for a new understanding of natural science. Today's physics is still only 'theories' using maths to CONvince the world that they are right, in order to receive funding. There are still alot of things they do not understand in nature. The issue here is that people are looking at this object from a 21st century understanding while forgetting that past civilisations have had a completely different science and technology. This is proven by the hundreds of out of place artefacts and monuments. Today we are TOLD what is true, rather than 'listening with our eyes'. We really do need some growth in our thinking.

Originally posted by punkinworks10
Its non uniformity would cause it to self destruct from vibration.


That maybe true however, whether it is the real device or not doesn't really matter, as the disc could quite easily have been a replica of the device that the man invented during his life which benefited his culture and society. Researchers on this thread have reproduced a balanced version and have shown it's 'capabilities' in a diamagnetic medium whether air or water, they are the same, it uses implosion.

Originally posted by buddha
I bet it would work as a washing machine !


Hi buddha.
The difference is that washing machines use centrifugal force to wash your clothes. Slowly pulling the 'dirt' from your clothing through the 'radiation' or outward force of energy. This is todays science, the expiration of the source of the energy causing heat. Your car and how it uses fuel is no different. Nature uses centripetal force slowly building density through the acceleration of that implosive motion, thus it does not 'radiate' heat as radiation is death, but creates cooling. This is why clothes get ruined in a washing machine, as it slowly pulls apart the threads and stitching.

Understanding the differences of the two types of motion will help understand the technology behind this object.
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reply posted on 11-5-2012 @ 01:25 PM by one4all
reply to post by reddpill


Redpill,are you a visual thinker by chance?If you watch
the TED talks tv show ,the episode with Temple Grandin speaking you will understand why I ask,please watch that show and let me know if you connect with Temples communication style.

Reading your post was again connection for me,you put me in a position I so cherish right now,I dont know how you can possibly know what you know ,and as there are literally millions of paths to the same destination i am very curious how you came about this data,how you understand this and also how you have made the catalytic connection to natural science??I personally believe math is designed to purposefully neglect natural science to accomodate linear thinkers.I believe there are many people who naturally think in terms of natural science from birth,but today we tag them with names like Autistic,Dyslexic,Aspergers,ect.these labels ALL reflect visual thinking traits to some degree.
Math vs natural Science is akin to Edison vs Tesla,and math derailed natural Science at about the same time that Edisons supporters derailed tesla.

Just saying ,redpill,that if you put me in a room with five professional ANYTHINGS and give them all a serious most difficult and complicated problem,i can and WILL stand there and listen to them try to solve the problem and then i will interject a little and soon bring all of their data together into the solution they are looking for,and because my verbal skills match my visual thinking skills,ha ha ha,not match i guess thats funny,but I am able to effectively communicate my thoughts to others.I can glean their contributions for value in realtime and also apply that data in realtime,visually.

The problem with visual thinkers is that we need constant validation from linear thinkers so we know we are on the right frequency so to speak.Remember we are converting full video to a hybrid of text and verbal words,so we need to break it all down TWICE just to find the right communication conduit for the individual we are communicating with,and for EACH one we need to do the same double breakdown simultaneously depending on how many peoples styles we can juggle at once.Once we get all people "tuned in ,interpreted and integrated into our visual video them we can spit out a perfect solution in a perfect manner and format so EVERYONE will suddenly have an epiphany and "get it",and the funny thing is I will have zero technical knowledge going in to the problem,and after solveing it i will leave with as muck technical knowledge as i went in with,it is a dynamics and communication issue with me,a data sorting,thats all.i dont require the tech knowledge for some odd reason.

Sorry for the reach out here,but i "know"you are seeing things like i am by how you are describeing things and I am trying to find the commonality i know must exist in our paralell though process,you are much more controlled and paced,but same flavor.Does any of this ring a bell with you??If not sorry for going a little off topic,and if so please u2u me as i have a few more interesting questions for you,if you have time..

I appreciate your perspective on infringing on peoples freedom of choice and your unwillingness to entertain making them feel negativity when you communicate with them,you do not want to be adversarial,I understand.As a visual thinker dealing with a large group I however find this method to be the best starting point for many reason,the main one being that those dynamics you avoid are usually ones that galvanise different communication styles and thinkers into specific and large groups,so when you need to effectively bring them all on the same page fast and accurately and efficiently you need to pinch them all in the same spot so you can catch them all on the same frequency if you will and take a visual snapshot of all of their personal conduits open and running paralell.i agree that it is never acceptable to initiate negativity if it can be avoided with hard work,but in some cases there is a real need to use the dynamic as a turbo boost if you will or a catalyst rather.I believe that given the right circumstances and forum that all major religons could be quickly galvanised this way,even to the point of becoming a global belief system with all major doctrines voluntarily integrated.as could all major belief systems like communism and capitalism,it is all a matter of applying natural science to human emotional dynamics in contrast to the manifestations of our cumulative reality we all share and contribute to every second of our existance.The problem is bringing everyone onto the same page in real time with THEM being the catalyst of the tuneing in,you need to coax everyone onto the same page or perspective but not force them or unfairly influence them,and as i see it in the universe there is always a right and a wrong a dark and a light,so for me to say there is a universal concept of acceptance of wrong to apease the inability or unwillingness of an entity to learn and embrace both of its natural dualitys is not right.i am not saying I can define right and wrong for another but I can make a fair judgement on the data they have to work with by communicateing with them,and so many times it is a greater evil to withholld new data than it is to attack a dogma or a belief system,provideing you are ADDING something new and previously unintrgrated.You cannot remove and not offer a replacement with upgrades.And if the fit isnt there naturally you need to be willing to reestablish balance in the person you gave new data to if they need it.i know i overthink it ,actually its just oververbalisation ,the thought is a milisecond picture.

Thaknks for your equilibrium check,i needed it.
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reply posted on 20-5-2012 @ 03:28 AM by jisujaaljo
reply to post by Hanslune


Hi there.
Im really sorry but i have not read the entire thread so what i will suggest could and probably have been suggested by someone allready.
Could it be some kind of musical instrument.
Does it "hum" when spunned around?
/Jimmy
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