Former Navy SEAL and demolitions expert Jesse Ventura: U.S. Government Carried Out 9/11, page 8
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reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 11:11 AM by SHADOW WALKER
reply to post by darkblueskyBecause This Building Was A Command Post And It Held All The Financial Records Pertaining To The ENRON Scandal And The Financial Dealings Of Those Involved . They Did That To Keep Their Ass's From Going To Prison !




reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 11:21 AM by darkbluesky
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What kind of a command post? What agency? Command of what? Emergency repsonse?

Why were Enron records in the Command Post?

Who is "they"?

Do you have any proof of these claims?

And finally....why not blow up WTC 7? Why the aiplanes and arabs and explosives, etc?


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 12:33 PM by GoldenFleece
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Lots and lots of questions. Typical method of trying to introduce doubt.

Try doing some independent research. The answers are out there.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 01:03 PM by darkbluesky
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
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post by darkbluesky


Lots and lots of questions. Typical method of trying to introduce doubt.


Yes, also a typical method of finding things out and a typical method of understanding why people think the way they do.

Over the course of my life, I've learned that only those with things to hide fear questions.

Try doing some independent research. The answers are out there.


Don't tell me what to do.

I think that people who make statements they represent as fact, should be able to easily substatiate those "facts".


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 01:05 PM by GoldenFleece
For anyone who doubts the Bush neocon cabal is capable of such evil:

From BODY OF SECRETS, James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001, p.82 and following.
Scanned and edited by NY Transfer News.

Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had quietly slipped over the edge.

According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of anti-Communism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

The suggested operations grew progressively more outrageous. Another called for an action similar to the infamous incident in February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba. Incited by the deadly blast, more than one million men volunteered for duty. Lemnitzer and his generals came up with a similar plan. "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they proposed; "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

There seemed no limit to their fanaticism: "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," they wrote. "The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States."

"We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated). . . . We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized."

Bombings were proposed, false arrests, hijackings:

"Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government."

Operation Northwoods
documents. Click images for full sized scans:

www.whatreallyhappened.com...


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 01:31 PM by russ1969
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If you want to know details about 9/11 then you need to research them . But this thread is about jesse ventura and your opinions of what he is claiming. We are not here to discuss the occupants in world trade center building 7. There are tons of threads relating to those questions. And im sure you know that. Yes, the occupants of that building makes it suspicious. But my point is the info is already in many threads and shouldnt be presented here. Google it. im sure you can find lots on this subject.

Back on track, Why do so many people think that ventura is an idiot? Show me some example to support this argument. Him being a wrestler or an actor should not even matter. And also tell me what he has to gain by making these claims. I can tell you he has alot more to lose from it. Seems to me that anyone who comes out and goes against the current administration Is taking a big chance and we can only hope that many others will follow his lead. At least he has the balls to stand up for what he believes. We need more like him.

Say what you will of the man, He has accomplished more than most of us ever will. And he didnt become governer by being an idiot.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 01:39 PM by ThroatYogurt
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Golden,

Although some may think that our government is not capable of murder. Most will agree with you. (present company included)

Operation Northwoods was rejected by the government. (after it was drawn up)

The point I am making is that no matter what the government CAN do. There is not any evidence that they DID do it. (911)


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 01:43 PM by ObamasLoveChild
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I will not be drawn into a silly 'flame war'. If every person that publishes scientific findings and research is 'a conspiracy theorist' then we are already in real trouble. I cannot list here how many people in the scientific community have doubted the 'official report' using the actual physics of the event. Saying that A+B does not =C is not un-american or conspiring against the government. It is simply using what we as humans understand as the written laws of the universe to quantify one of the single largest events in America's young history. Wanting to ensure that we the people understand this event through and through is not a crime, nor should the idea be shunned. Many of the people in the scientific community are calling for an international, unbiased, board of experts (physicists, scientists, and so forth) to examine the debris, written and filmed accounts, as well as the official report. I should think that the american public deserves at least this much.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 02:02 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
There will be more coming out and saying the same thing. Every year there are more, all becoming more credible. And every year the doubter try to say the same things, the most used excuse is that these truth tellers are trying to gain money and supporters. Well yeah, just about anyone can try to do that, but how does that discredit every single credible person's opinion on this matter?



I love this man. Several liberals and independents are pushing for him to join the race right now, with petitions and web sites.

Website:
www.voters4ventura.com...


I think we will see a lot more people involved with the NAVY coming out on similar government issues after their retirement. Everyone I know in the NAVY (including someone who has been in for ten years, he's an E-7 I believe) has several issues with our government. Including our strategy in Iraq (many think we should have attacked another country, Saudi Arabi anyone?). They also tell some very interesting stories involving NWO and some brutal hazing that still goes on in the military to date. But maybe they are just liars as some would rather think than have a negative view of our government controlled military, perhaps they are trying to get back at the government for making them speak in acronyms to the point of no longer understanding any of their full meanings?



reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 02:35 PM by SHADOW WALKER
reply to post by William Marshal And What Makes YOU Think That All Of Us That Question The OFFICIAL Story Regarding What Really Happened On 9-11 Don't Love Our Great Nation ? There Are Just Too Many Strange " Coincidences ""Surrounding That Awful Day That Merit Questions By The American Peoples And The Whole World Don't You Agree ? If A Person Blindly Believes Everything Their Government And The Media Tells Us Then We Are Nothing More Than Stupid Sheep ! Don't Ever Presume To Think That WE , Especially Myself Don't Love America ! Far From It Pal . It Is Our Duty As Free Americans To Alway's Question Those In Power. Unless You Are One With Those That Seek To Deceive Us .




reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 03:52 PM by Griff
Originally posted by PhreshIDea
Here in San Francisco about a year ago, there was an accident. A fuel truck was going too fast and the driver lost control of the truck and it hit the guard rail and the tanks ruptured. The fire that was started was so hot, it melted the steel I beams that supported the highway overpass above it. Now this was an instance where the heat was being radiated in all directions and yet the heat from 20 feet above the fire melted the steel. Now I'm not talking about just any I beam. The steel that melted was extremely thick. Probably alot more thick than the I beams that supported the twin towers. I've seen footage of the support I beam from the first bombing in the basement.


Well, I for one am tired of this being said. That tanker accident did NOT melt the steel. The overpass collapsed because the heat of the fire expanded the steel and it buckled out of it's expansion joint(s). The pictures of the collapse tell a different story than what the media told you happened.



Please look at that photo carefully. You can see the overpass failed at the expansion joints and the middle EJ that collapsed even has a ridge like a mountain being formed. That is NOT melting. It is EJ failure.

I"m not sure if the fire in the trade center was as intense, but if there was a flow of air through any particular path inside that building, feeding the fire with oxygen, then wouldn't that have the same effect as a blow torch?


No. Maybe you're thinking of a blast furnace? But, even then, thre's no comparison IMO.

[edit on 7/30/2008 by Griff]


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 04:39 PM by GoldenFleece
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
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post by GoldenFleece


Golden,

Although some may think that our government is not capable of murder. Most will agree with you. (present company included)

Operation Northwoods was rejected by the government. (after it was drawn up)

More like JFK and RFK were rejected by the government. With extreme prejudice.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
The point I am making is that no matter what the government CAN do. There is not any evidence that they DID do it. (911)

Oh yeah, not much.

I guess you're working overtime again. Interesting which post received the second highest number of stars (on page 1.)


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 05:59 PM by Anonymous ATS
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I think you just answered your own question there. Why do you think so many people are trying to redirect focus off of this topic? This is America!

If you want hard core solid proof, find and insider and BUY IT!!!!!!!!! Donald Rumsfield has an uncleansed piece of the WTC in his house on Martha's Vinyard!!!

The proof is out there somewhere because somewhere somebody got lazy and screwed up.

Find it and buy it!!!!

Still watching.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 06:43 PM by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
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post by GoldenFleece



Jessie "the body?"

Discredit HIM? Why? He did it himself.

Where are these NAVY seals?

How many NAVY seals have Demo'd 110 story skyscrapers?

Actually how many NAVY seals have demo'd a ...lets say... 20 story building?

Where are these SEALS? What are their credentials?

Oh.. Golden.. when will you respond to my post on the 40 Smoking Guns?


JV may have been a professional wrestler -- but I've been a busboy at a Mexican Restaurant. I think his stint in Minnesota and a well-known leader of something qualifies as having a reputation to uphold.

Navy Seals are people who don't need to sit around blogs and make crap up for excitement. Their EXPERTISE in often in blowing stuff up in a clandestine nature.

A Navy Seal might know that steel won't weaken significantly with the kerosene from an airplane. They might also be able to spot a demolition.

A person like me, might have enough prior experience with gravity to see that a building cannot slap into itself and fall as fast as the same object would without resistance. Or how a 10 story section disintegrates in midair by simple wind resistance.

Jessie isn't definitive proof. It would be nice to have some skyscraper demolition experts like "Controlled Demoltions" weigh in.
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