6-week old puppy kills baby, page 9
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reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 06:34 PM by AccessDenied
Just a little research I did..
www.moderndaydad.com...

Still far too many variables and questions we may never hear the answers to.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 08:35 PM by ben420
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Very nice find. I can totally see that happening, its like when you pivot your foot on the ground in front of a puppy. After a while he'll start pawing at it and trying to bite it.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 10:51 PM by Heike
reply to post by EverythingYouDespise



Dog history is really the history of the partnership between dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) and humans. That partnership is based on human needs for help with herding and hunting, an early alarm system, and a source of food in addition to the companionship many of us today know and love. Dogs get companionship, protection and shelter, and a reliable food source out of the deal.
Source

As early as 3500 B.C., Egyptians were domesticating wildcats from Africa, and these domesticated wildcats became treasured pets and were honored in many forms of artwork for their skill in hunting and killing rodents such as snakes, rats and mice. Around 1500 B.C., cats were actually considered sacred by the Egyptians, and if a person killed a cat, they were usually put to death. Egyptians shaved their eyebrows as a symbol of their grief when their pet cat died, and they made their dead cats into mummies.
Source

You, sir, are entitled to your opinion. However, I submit that you are greatly in the minority, and those of us whose lives are much enriched by companion animals will strongly disagree with your judgmental, callous, and shallow point of view.

P.S. You may cease trying to bait us just any time now. I don't think anyone here is going to oblige you with the angry argument you so obviously desire.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 12:33 AM by chise61
Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise

Sure, odds are your dogs won't act upon their violent instincts and seriously harm you or your family, but it does happen quite often.

Keeping animals in your home is UNSAFE, UNCLEAN and VILE. Remember, most epidemic diseases were originally spread to humans from domestic animals. Animals aren't meant to be companions. They are meant to be food and beasts of burden. Especially if you have kids (that you like).



As i've stated earlier if a dog turns vicious it is usually the fault of a human. There are surely times where dogs have attacked humans, but if you backtrack you'll find that in most cases the root of the problem was a human.


Actually having dogs makes my house much safer. I can assure you that anyone entering my house uninvited is going to encounter something they won't like. My dogs are clean, so is my house, and cats are nortoriously clean. I bet you my dogs mouths are cleaner than your mouth. It may be vile to you, but it's not to me, and that's all that counts.


You say that Most epidemic diseases were spread to humans through domestic animals, and remember that we're talking pets here, dogs, cats, etc, not farm animals like chickens etc. I'd like you to back up your claim, show me when and which epidemic diseases were spread to humans through domestic animals, and through which animals they were spread.


Who says they are meant to be food and beasts of burden, you ? I personally have no use for a beast of burden, and my dogs are members of our family, and so were our cats when we had cats, any animal that i have ever had in my home has always been a member of the family. That includes my ferret, hamsters, mice, snakes, lizards, etc, eeewwwww that must really gross you out huh


You are entitled to your opinion, as i said before, we all are. But as you can see i don't think you're going to get the reaction from us that you want, so do yourself a favor and stop trolling.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 05:18 AM by daemonicsoul
how did a 6 week puppy manage to get at a baby in a swing?

sudbury.kijiji.ca...://kijiji.ebayimg.com/i6/08/k/000/7b/21/1194_18.JPG?set_id=1C4000

heres a size comparison of a black lab puppy. someone needs to smack the DA in the head on this one as well as the police. theres no way the dog could reach the baby except for the feet at which the baby would have screamed its head off at the constant nipping. im callin the tulsa police and issuing my concerns about the swing and the ability of the dog to get at the baby in the swing. everyone else should do the same and maybe we can get some truth.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 09:07 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Heike



Thanks for bringing the facts to ignorant opinions even when everybody is entitle to them.

One star for you.

[edit on 31-7-2008 by marg6043]


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 12:08 PM by OhZone
wow! Lots of speculation here with little fact to base them on. After 2 days there is not more info?

I wonder why they would take a baby out of his crib and put him in a swing. These things are not suitable for a 2 month old.
I'm asuming he was in a baby crib.

I too, do not understand the mind set of those who would execute the parents. The death of the baby is their loss not yours. They are not a danger to society. The law is seriously screwed up in this area.
Further, why does every mishap have to be someone's fault for which they must be severely punished. Why the blood lust?

Yes, puppies will play and can do a lot of damage to a small child.

As to getting to the babies throat.....Try to find it.

Nothing was said about either dog having blood on it.
Not much was said about damage to the baby.
It would seem that toes could have been chewed off. There was a case in my area where a Golden Retriever chewed the toes off a paraplegic - he was sleeping and could not feel the dog puppy chewing. They kept the dog.

I have doubts about this thing of "having tasted human flesh". Do they have proof from previous examples?

To those who think of getting a puppy for better bonding -- you don't know what you are talking about. I got a 2 1/2 year old that became my best buddy. In 2 weeks time he did not even want to go back to his former owner which we visited. I have a similar story about a 9 year old that I adopted. These were Belgian Shepherds.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 04:39 PM by chise61
Originally posted by EverythingYouDespise

Do your dogs brush their teeth after every meal? What about after every time they lick themselves or another dog's rump? When they chew on some garbage or drink out of the toilet? How about when they lick or munch on a rotting dead animal or (and I have seen this happen) their own vomit or excrement?

It's incredible the lengths people will go to in order to paint dogs as something more than lowly beasts.

As for your query about which horrible diseases were spread to us by animals, they include pretty much every one of them from tuberculosis right up to AIDS. Here's a semi-detailed article about the phenomenon:
www.sdnhm.org...



In my opinion dogs are so much more than lowly beasts, as a matter of fact right now i can't think of one animal that i consider a "lowly beast". I guess i was blessed with a love for animals.


If you were to bitten by another human being, there's a very high chance that the bite will become infected, due to the high count of bacteria in a human mouth that is harmful to humans. However if you were to be bitten by a dog the chances of infection are minimal, because dog's mouths don't harbor bacteria that are dangerous to humans.


Actually i brush my dogs teeth for them, a lot of people do this for their dogs. My dogs don't eat garbage, i wouldn't allow my grandchildren to eat garbage so why would i allow my dogs to eat it. They aren't allowed to drink out of the toilet either, they have fresh water in a bowl at all times. They don't eat dead, rotting animals either.


It is not normal for dogs to eat their own excrement. When they do this it is an indication of a health problem, worms,etc. and is the owners responsibilty to take the dog to the vet so the problem can be fixed.


As far as eating their own vomit, that is a result of the weaning process. When it is time for puppies to be weaned they will jump up and lick at their mothers mouth after she eats, which in turns causes her to regurgitate her partially digested food, just like birds do, so that they can be weaned onto hard food. This behavior can be easily stopped, i have trained all my dogs that this is no longer food for them to eat, but rather something to be left alone.

I am not saying that these behaviors are not gross, just giving you the reasons behind them. By the way, it's just as gross to me to see a human mother chew up some food and take it out of her mouth and then feed it to her baby (which i have seen quite a few women do) to wean them.

First let me say that i don't believe that you completely comphrehended the article that you linked to. Ex. Malaria is spread by misquitoes, the black plague was spread by the fleas of rats, lyme disease is spread by ticks, these diseases are spread by insects, not by domesticated animals. Cats can have feline aids, but it can not be contracted by humans.

Your claim was that most epidemic diseases were spread to humans through domestic animals, and since we are talking about dogs here, i asked you to show some proof that would back up your claim regarding domesticated pets, dogs, cats,etc. Which you have not done, nor do i think you will be able to do.


If you have any further responses to me might i suggest that you do it through private messages, as we have already derailed this thread enough, and that was not my intention.

My apologies for going so far off topic.



reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 05:24 PM by gluetrap
reply to post by EverythingYouDespise



have you ever been loved by a dog? my instincts tell me no!

As I type I am surrounded by my three best friends at my feet.
and yes one of them did bring a horrid rotten squirrel to us last night that about made me toss my cookies, but we removed the squirrel immdiately, and after the dog ate some food and drank a bunch of water we brushed his teeth with his own chicken flavored toothpaste and toothbrush.

But that squirrel he brough in the house was not for him to eat, he brought it in and dropped it at my feet it was a gift. both sweet and nasty


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 09:01 PM by hotbakedtater
Ok, now that more facts are in, I want to give my thoughts by reading what was not said in the following article.


www.newson6.com...


"The first responders were shaken by the scene.

EMSA relieved both the paramedics who responded and the dispatcher who took the call for a stress debriefing."

What went unsaid was these are professionals, yet this scene was so overwhelming, they had to have stress debriefing. How bad was it?

""Let's just say it was apparent the wounds came from the dog, and we don't know what caused the death of the child, but at this point it appears to be dog bites," said Tulsa Police Officer Jason Willingham."

What went unsaid was how it was apparent the baby had dog bites. Couple that with the above statement, I think we can all draw a much clearer picture of what happened.

I have also given thought to the timeline. Dad leaves at 8 am, grandpa leaves next, at 830. Filling in the blanks, a likely scenerio is that he went to his daughters room, said as he always did, I am leaving, get up with the baby, he is in the swing, I love you, bye.

He assumed his daughter, a teen, would get up, now that she had a child. IMO, I think she may have went out there, propped a bottle/wound up the swing/made sure baby was asleep, then went to lay right back down.

Thats just my opinion, now that I have seen more articles.

One thing that I notice stands out, is the swiftness of the euthanasia. It says two things. One it was VERY apparent by some means that the lab had eaten a part of the child, OR, they decided to put the dog down to see if the parents/family would make a bigger fuss over the dog than the child.

Then, what do we have? Already a request for the other pets to be returned to the home. Maybe the euthanasia was a police strategy to guage reactions?

Just some thoughts.
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