6-week old puppy kills baby, page 8
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reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 04:30 AM by chise61
reply to post by Thuggin


If it was an older dog, like the pug, that was there first then yes it may have been jealous of a new addition to the family. However the baby was obviously in the home first so jealousy wouldn't have played a role in the situation. Try to be a little realistic here, a six week old puppy did not think to himself, oh i hate it when that baby gets all the attention, i'll fix that i'll just kill the baby Even with an older dog, it's highly unlikely it would intend to actually kill the baby, just establish that he was the alpha.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 06:36 AM by Bombeni
Originally posted by Ceara
reply to post by Zealott


I agree with you. But it's better to be cautious and assume something might happen, and thus prepare for anything.

Which brings me back the the original point that it's the adults' fault this occurred. A new article on the net claims the baby was alone for 1.5 hours. I'm signed up on a Google news alert and keep getting emails. lol Hard to know the validity of all the articles though at this point. Perhaps there will be a press conference tomorrow.

Here's an updated article.

www.newson6.com...

I guess they never considered putting the puppy and pug into dog crates when not able to supervise.


Hi, I live in Tulsa and the latest news is that the daddy and grandpa got the baby up before they left for work. They actually left to go to work with the baby alone in the swing while the mom and grandma were still in bed! To me that is definitely neglect.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 08:03 AM by AccessDenied
reply to post by Heike


I challenge every one of you who is a parent to swear to me that your baby was where you could actually SEE it 24/7 for the first 2 months of its life. And if you do say it, I'll still call BS.

Then start callin..
I had my first when I was 16. He never left my sight. If I went to the bathroom, or took a bath, I took him with me in his little seat. If I was cooking dinner, he was in the kitchen with me, but away from the stove. His crib was in my bedroom. I did this for all my children till they were 5-6 months old.
I'm just that protective. NEVER would I leave my baby alone with an animal in the room.
Puppies are playful, and don't yet know what is right from wrong, or chewable or not.
The parents are definitely at fault here to a degree.
The mother didn't trust the father but let him look after the child?
She had no business being that far away from her baby for that length of time.
Just throwing this out there, if perhaps they do an autopsy, they may discover the child died of SIDS or another cause. The puppy just saw the child as a plaything after the fact. Horrible to say.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 08:09 AM by Bombeni
Originally posted by AccessDenied
reply to post by Heike


I challenge every one of you who is a parent to swear to me that your baby was where you could actually SEE it 24/7 for the first 2 months of its life. And if you do say it, I'll still call BS.

Then start callin..
I had my first when I was 16. He never left my sight. If I went to the bathroom, or took a bath, I took him with me in his little seat. If I was cooking dinner, he was in the kitchen with me, but away from the stove. His crib was in my bedroom. I did this for all my children till they were 5-6 months old.
I'm just that protective. NEVER would I leave my baby alone with an animal in the room.
Puppies are playful, and don't yet know what is right from wrong, or chewable or not.
The parents are definitely at fault here to a degree.
The mother didn't trust the father but let him look after the child?
She had no business being that far away from her baby for that length of time.
Just throwing this out there, if perhaps they do an autopsy, they may discover the child died of SIDS or another cause. The puppy just saw the child as a plaything after the fact. Horrible to say.


Excuse me but what are you talking about, the mother didn't trust the dad? Who says that? I live in Tulsa and have followed this story from the beginning, haven't heard anything like that. The facts are, the dad and grandpa got the baby up and left him in his swing before they both left for work. Grandma and mom were still in bed and found the baby dead when they woke up nearly 2 hours later. There is nothing out about the mom not trusting the dad. Things are getting carried away.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 08:18 AM by AccessDenied
reply to post by Bombeni


From the updated article..
Court records indicate the mother filed a protective order against the baby's father back in January of 2007. It was dismissed within just a few days, and that was well before she was pregnant with Zane.


There were some issues there. Even before she got pregnant. That's the connection I was making. Perhaps I'm stretching things..or perhaps not.
We can only speculate what when on behind closed doors.
Truthfully, in my opinion, the mother is more at fault. But did the father or grandfather make sure the child was being watched when they left the house?
Hard to say.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 08:45 AM by Bombeni
reply to post by AccessDenied


I think they are all equally at fault here; the dad and grandpa for leaving the baby first. But who knows, one of them could have gone to the mom or grandma's room before they left for work to tell them to get up and look after the baby because they were leaving. Time will tell. I have an idea these people are going to be charged with negligent homicide, just a gut feeling. A couple of years ago a baby here in Tulsa died after rolling it's jumpy seat onto a hot furnace and got stuck. The parents were charged in that case, same DA in office so I expect a charge.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 10:28 AM by Heike
It seems to be human nature, when something has gone terribly wrong, to find someone to blame, to figure out who is at fault. What we may not realize is that it isn't always possible - or necessary - to figure out who's fault it was. I can guess, from the statement that grandfather put the baby in the swing and then left the house, that either or both parents may have been giving Zane as much - or as little - care and attention as they received as children. We can probably never know for sure if the parents loved this little boy with all their hearts and were doing the best they knew - or not.

Ultimately what we have is the death of a baby, a death that could so easily have been prevented. Perhaps we are more interested in this case because of the grisly nature of the death, but in reality Zane probably suffered no more than other children who have baked to death in hot cars, been shaken to death by an angry parent, steamed in a too-hot bath, or many other ways. Zane's case is one example of a larger problem - child neglect and abuse.

There is no longer anything we can do for Zane. Both he and the puppy are out of our hands. Perhaps some of you, like me, feel helpless and frustrated that we could do nothing to save a precious child. I do, however, know how I can help prevent the next incident, and I am going to donate in Zane's memory to the Parent Child Center of Tulsa, an agency whose entire mission is to prevent child abuse and neglect through educating and training parents, educating the public, and advocacy of children. I have personal experience with PCCT and I know they do great work. And with that, I must let Zane, and the unnamed puppy, go in peace from my troubled mind.



reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 01:24 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Heike


i am a soon to be mother and i can tell you for a fact that i will be leaving the baby in a crib to sleep...BUT that is completely different than leaving her in a swing while im sleeping with a little puppy. give me a break. if the baby is left alone in a bedroom the door is more than likely shut while they are asleep, and there is usually a baby monitor.

The age of the mother has nothing to do with this. i know alot of young mothers that have done a fabulous job raising their children. my mom had me when she was 18, and i cant say that she ever left me unattended. Bad parents will be bad parents no matter what age they are. its fine if they wanted to sleep , but for gods sake have a monitor by the baby so that you can hear it!

As far as the puppy, they shouldnt be left to wonder around the house when they are 6 weeks old. and why did they have a new 6 week old puppy, they just had a BABY. i think thats enough responsibility in itself.


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 02:22 PM by Sanity Lost
Originally posted by AccessDenied
reply to post by Bombeni


From the updated article..
Court records indicate the mother filed a protective order against the baby's father back in January of 2007. It was dismissed within just a few days, and that was well before she was pregnant with Zane.



Are we certain that the man, Tyler Craig, that she is living with is the biological father of the baby or just her current boyfriend? I can't find anything mentioning that the dismissed protective order was filed against Craig.

I know all the news stories refer to Craig as the father, but how often does 1 + 1 = 2 in the news media these days.

newsok-----
According to this update, the guys left at 830 am after placing the baby in the swing while the mother and grandmother were sleeping. The baby's body was not discovered until 1030 am.




[edit on 30-7-2008 by Sanity Lost]


reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 04:17 PM by chise61
I don't understand why the father would leave for work knowing that the baby was awake without making sure that the mother was awake to properly take care of him. And the grandfather should have definately known better than to put that baby in a swing with no supervision, let alone surrounded by animals.

He should have either made sure that the mother, or grandmother was awake to take care of the baby, or put the baby, swing in the room with the mother, or put the baby back in the crib.

I still don't think that little puppy killed that baby though, i think the baby probably died from sids, or slipped down in the swing and strangled to death, and the puppy was just trying to play with the baby, or wake him up.

I would still like to know why the police department had that poor puppy put to sleep before the cause of death was established.

What makes it so sad is the fact that the whole situation could have been prevented, had any of the adults in that house acted like they were entrusted with a precious life. While it is true that people have to sleep, there are precautions that you take regarding your children when you are sleeping.

When my granddaughter was a baby, about 5 months old, my oldest son (her father) would leave for work about 7:30 am he would always make sure that the baby monitor was in my room and on, as well as wake me up and tell me he was leaving. Then i would get up and change her and feed her before i left for school. I would then put her back in her crib and close the door to make sure that the dogs didn't get in there with her. I would then place the baby monitor in my youngest son's room ( he was 19 at the time and worked a later shift) and tell him that i was leaving and to listen for the baby. Then he would get up and put her in her playpen and watch her until i came back home. We had worked out a system where someone was always looking after her, it's not that hard to do, especially when there are four people in the house.

It's a shame that two innocent lives had to be lost when it was so easy to avoid. My heart goes out to the whole family as the loss of a child is the worse thing any family will ever have to face, regardless of the circumstances.
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