6-week old puppy kills baby

reply to post by Ceara

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Aww what a cute puppy. Tell us, you raised the exact same pup as in the story: do you think it would have been able to chew a baby to death?

Yes, a full-grown labrador retriever is indeed very gentle. As a puppy, there is no more rambunctious, energy-filled, trouble-causing dog on the planet.

Labs make terrible puppies, but very good dogs.

reply to post by sir_chancealot

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Well hearing from people who have experience with labs is adding a little more validity to the story; I personally have never owned a lab or been close with anyone who did. I just can't get my brain around a 6-week-old-anything killing a baby.

Ooh where did you hear about the stomach contents being analyzed?

They could have done that before killing the puppy. A rescue group would have taken the pup.

There was a pug around in the house too. No one seems to be pointing a finger at that.

If anyone is near Oklahoma, maybe you can call the authorities and ask them to check out where the pup came from. If it came from a puppy mill, now would be the time to shut them down.

reply to post by Bombeni

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If its anything like the one I had experience with...no. If it ever latched onto your toes, that was it, you were screwed. It didn't matter how rough you got with it in trying to keep it away, it would always come back for more. Always. The only recourse that worked was just to keep whatever it wanted to chew out of its reach. Nothing else worked.

But again, that's just my own experience with them. Very playful animal, but very unintentionally destructive and stubborn as a puppy.

I noticed that several of the posters here did not watch the video.

Just to play devil's advocate: I did watch the video on CNN this morning. The mother and father of the baby (yes, they are just kids) were extremely distraught and the mother had to be transported to the hospital. However, the grandmother was just standing close to the house smoking a cigarette. This does not mean that she had anything to do with the baby's death, everyone handles shock differently.

Also, the whole "Left in the swing for an indeterminent amount of time" comment: How many people that posted to this have children? Both of my children napped in their swings on occasion. Maybe the parents were trying to catch up on sleep while the baby slept. We don't know that the adults in the house didn't respond as soon as the baby cried out. But the injuries could have been too severe. 911 was called.

I was wondering if CNN would pick this up. BTW, I saw numerous local reports and in at least a couple of them you see the grandmother looking like she's lost her mind and on the verge of collapse.

reply to post by Ceara

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I live in the home edition next to where this happened. I heard on a couple of different news reports that the stomach contents had been retrieved for analysis. No word yet on where the puppy came from .

reply to post by Bombeni

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She's a Golden Retriever/Black Lab mix, and just happened to turn out black, along with one of her male litter mates. Well the father is just a best guess. no one really know what kind of dog was the father.

Here she is with one of her litter mates that came to stay with us while his family went out of town for a few days back in June.



And no, I don't think she would have ever been capable of mauling a baby. She was always a fearful puppy and would have run away and would not bite. She rarely even snipped at us and learned early on that teeth are not to be put on people, ever. Today she'll lick you to death but never put teeth on a person. She's approx 8 months old now.

Here they are at 4 weeks old going after a turkey neck.



We had the mom for 8 days before she gave birth. They were born here in the house, although the mom was malnourished and really anemic (she was in really bad shape for the first month after the pups were born, but then made a complete turnaround to good health) and the vet wanted me to put half the litter to sleep and I said no, that I would feed them. They still suckled on mom for the milk immunity protection properties, but I did most of the feeding, and mom is back in good health once again. We kept her also. But like I said it was a rescue situation. The mom was tied to a tree on a 2 ft rope and had zero outdoor shelter, was forgotten about a lot and not fed, which led to her anemia, along with being pregnant. All 10 pups did super. You can see a video of them at 4 weeks old here. Two weeks younger than the supposed 6 week old pup mentioned in the article. Hardly baby killers.

www.youtube.com...

I'm really adamant that it's the fault of the adults in the household that the child died. The puppy should not have been euthanized. Even if it was the cause of the death of the child, it could have been rehabilitated. It was young enough to be trained.

[edit on 7/29/2008 by Ceara]

reply to post by Ceara

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I'm sure the parents wanted the dog put down.

Well, this is just BS. I have had labs all of my life and in all my 42 years, I have never seen one maul anything. I agree that one of the adults is responsible for this baby's death and to keep from going to jail, they blamed it on the poor pup. Tragic all the way around. Now let's see if there will be any kind of justice for the deaths of those two babies.

Sterotomy, I understand your theory except the police have already stated they believe the baby was mauled, they say it obviously had many bite marks. If the parents accidentally killed the baby it would be pretty hard to get a puppy to bite it all over to cover the evidence. Either way you cut it though the story doesn't add up.

Posting this kind of crap is one reason ATS is slipping.....badly. Time to change channels. Perhaps the baby was alien....then good doggie.

the end

reply to post by Ceara

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Nice pics, I never had a lab but any I have been around seemed so very intelligent. I have always said if I ever get a big dog it would be a German Shepherd or a Lab. I like smart dogs.

Yeah, let's talk about floating colored balls and the NWO.

reply to post by quaple_pouge

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www.tulsaworld.com...

Now they are talking about both dogs, not just the Lab puppy. The pug is being mentioned now, but no news whether it has been euthanized.

how is this any more detrimental to ATS? I mean seriously, posting a story about a lab puppy supposedly "mauling" a baby does not harm ATS in any way. But yeah, lets continue on ranting about Obama being the Anti-Christ. i swear.

reply to post by Daedalus24

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Personally I want to be brought up-to-date by someone in-the-know concerning those floating colored balls. Now that's news you can use.

reply to post by vor78

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I know what you mean. When I was young we had two labs (one gold, one black) and they were the kindest most gentle dogs in the world. At one point my parents decided to get another lab, a young black one and she was total menace, chewed everything; furniture, toys, the wheels off the barbecue, and she would nip and bite at us kids too.

After a few months and doing everything they could think of to try and break the dog of this they decided they had to get rid of her for the safety of us kids. We lived in a small town and they found a local farmer who was interested in taking her. They explained to him about her habits and he said something along the lines of "Oh I've been raising labs for years, you just gotta know how to train them." Well after about 2 year and losing a couple dozen chickens he finally had her trained.

But I agree that the blame lies squarely on the parents. If this dog was a little terror like our experiences the parents surly would have know about it. I know my parents would never have left us alone even for a second with the little monster we had. This is a case of neglect plain and simple.

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I have 3 dogs, all rescued/adopted, all retriever-type dogs. My black lab was a terribly rambunctious puppy, not to be outdone by the flat-coated or the newfoundland/lab mix. Lab puppies are also tremedous chewers and curious to a fault. While those little razor-like puppy teeth can shred like a knife, a ctying baby would have stopped that action very quickly. Even as puppies, my dogs instantly responded to "ouch" when playing and chewing got uncomfortable. "Ouch" is a powerful training tool to teach dogs not to bite and a baby crying out would have changed the puppies mental state. When raised right, labs make the BEST dogs, IMO. My dogs love people, children, other animals (large and small).
One incident comes to mind about the type of dog labs can become. I was at a popular outdoors area near a reservoir. People bring their pets and children to play or sun or just relax in the nice, grassy area. I take my dogs there to swim in the summer. My black lab bolted after a toy that I threw but got distracted by a lone child sitting and reading. She turned and trotted up to the child and nuzzled his cheek. The child was startled and instantly my lab's tail went between her legs and she shrunk down, ears low. She was still curious and only backed away a little. The parents were about the same distance from there child as I was from the dog (about 5feet or so) and we all got there at about the same time. My lab already had the child calmed down and as I was apologizing to the parents, the kid was petting my dog.
So, WOW. How ferocious a breed, huh? Terrifying, torturous breed. I guess I should mention that my lab was about 8 months old at the time.

As to the death of this child, I hope the parents get what they deserve. They say that they left the child alone. What kind of parent leaves their child alone in another room unattended? I have nieces and nephews, I have dated women with youngsters, I have friends with children. The first few YEARS, they are never unattended (be is child care or with the parent), much less EVER in the first year. I blame the parents. I Blame the PARENTS! I BLAME THE PARENTS!
People ask what is wrong with the world today? Well, here it is in all its glory....Negligent Parenting!