What makes a man, a man?

Originally posted by Swingarm

1) That explaination is outside the scope of this discussion, but has alot to do with the calculated break down of the family due to the feminist homosexual agenda perpatrated by the NWO globilists.
2) agreed ?
3) define ahead ?
4) Interesting, control is at the root of the first point you bring up.
5) Society needs to get a clue. Today people seem confused and frieghtened by the opposite sex. Roles have been perverted under the ruse of equality.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by Swingarm]

1. feminist homosexual agenda by the NWO, where do you get this stuff? wow, thats all i can say
2. agreed? uh yeah my stateement was about variance
3. ahead as in people treated as equal, we are still stuck in prejudices re race, color, sexual orientation, gender, class, etc are you an educated person?
4. the statement was made from frustration not fact of what I would do, hence it being a statement
5. roles have been perverted?

what is your idea of roles? women should bear children and keep house and men should work and bring the pay home

the whole leave it to beaver syndrome is what made this country so conservative and uppity

freedom meaning the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint

we are all free even unto the whole world to have the right to live and choice of what decisions we need to make

i was just responding to the fact that he was saying a man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man

says who? by definition?

male
–noun 1. a person bearing an X and Y chromosome pair in the cell nuclei and normally having a penis, scrotum, and testicles, and developing hair on the face at adolescence; a boy or man.
2. an organism of the sex or sexual phase that normally produces a sperm cell or male gamete.
3. Botany. a staminate plant.
–adjective 4. of, pertaining to, or being a male animal or plant.
5. pertaining to or characteristic of a male person; masculine: a male voice.
6. composed of males: a male choir.

female
1. a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman.
2. an organism of the sex or sexual phase that normally produces egg cells.
3. Botany. a pistillate plant.
–adjective 4. of, pertaining to, or being a female animal or plant.
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a female person; feminine: female suffrage; female charm.
6. composed of females: a female readership


to me its just frustrating that in this day and age, their is still so much anti-gay and anti-gender variant people out here people who claim to love this country and freedom yet set boundries on others who they deem need to be placed

that thinking is just ridiculous to me

i see the hardships my gay and trans friends go through and its heartbreaking, dont you think if they had a choice they'd make it?

i mean c'mon, who really would want to go through all the misery and ridicule on purpose?

they are no different than you or I, its like the whole race issue again but a different subject

cause their skin isnt white? cause they are attracted to the same sex?

lame

[edit on 29-7-2008 by MurderCityDevil]

reply to post by MurderCityDevil

1. feminist homosexual agenda by the NWO, where do you get this stuff? wow, thats all i can say
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This is nothing new Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA and MS magazine was financed through the CIA. Aaron Russo is interviewedhere on this issue.

what is your idea of roles? women should bear children and keep house and men should work and bring the pay home

the whole leave it to beaver syndrome is what made this country so conservative and uppity

freedom meaning the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint

No I don't think woman should just bear children.

you see thats the default response to this issue. Woman are just baby making machines and servants for the males until the male beats the sh!t out of the woman (that Ba$tard!) Am I right ? Woman are indoctrinated into the idea that they are failures if they take the traditional roles. Do you think bringing up a healthy strong family is a failure ? Is it more important for a woman to have a career? I think women should be enriching themselves with a college education if they so desire. Do I think it should be sold to them on premise that they need that education when the divorce comes, nope.
If you think your currently free, your sadly mistaken. This is all about socialistic control, you are currently in slave status weather you realize it or not.

to me its just frustrating that in this day and age, their is still so much anti-gay and anti-gender variant people out here people who claim to love this country and freedom yet set boundaries on others who they deem need to be placed

that thinking is just ridiculous to me

i see the hardships my gay and trans friends go through and its heartbreaking, don't you think if they had a choice they'd make it?

i mean c'mon, who really would want to go through all the misery and ridicule on purpose?

What about the ridicule this system puts children through, they give gay couples and single gays custody of these children. Does anyone think of these children?

Here a few more links worth reading on this subject.

The decline of western woman

Domestic Violence hysteria

Feminist at the end of her rope

canada convulsed by heterophob

heterophobes_want_to_desegrega

Is this Gay Behavior Sick?

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Thanks for all of the good replies so far.

I do think that the blending of the traditional gender roles has been difficult on the family. I agree that women should be allowed to persue a career and all of the same power that a man has, however... if both are doing that then it takes away from the family.

It is hard for both parents to take on the role of provider and still try to parent in their off time. I think the children suffer in this scenario and then they grow up and compound it further with their children.

reply to post by space cadet

After a grueling work day he would come home and rub his wifes sore shoulders.

You're a woman, aren't you?

I could tell.

The three things that immediately come to mind: mature, responsible, independent.

The rest is all filler.

A MAN

is someone who accepts responsibility for what he is capable of rather than what he wants.

is someone who stands up for what he believes in no matter the consequences.

is someone who admits when he is wrong and makes amends.

is someone who protects those who need protecting.

is someone who helps who needs helping.

is honest, dependable, and always trustworthy.

takes on the challenge of being a role model for the next generation.



A WOMAN

is the glue that holds people together at work and at home.

is someone who simply does what needs to be done, no matter how hard or dirty it may be.

is someone who stands up for what she believes in no matter the consequences.

is someone who protects those who need protecting.

is someone who helps who needs helping.

is honest, dependable, trustworthy.

remains a soft, nonjudgemental place to land for all who need it.

always has an extra ear and a sympathetic sholder.

is willing to help in raising the next generation.

no matter how hard life has tried to harden her.

And she does it all with grace and a smile on her face knowing that the world is watching and that smile and grace helps give them strength.


[edit on 30-7-2008 by mrsdudara]

oops double post.

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the 'man' is basically an outdated model,
a person should be neither 'man' nor 'woman'... but be androgynous


male & female will always be biologically different
but the 'man' 'woman' concept of roles is a leftover from the neolithic stoneage era

Originally posted by Ian McLean

Originally posted by seagrass
Are you asking for our help, without really asking? Or are you resigned to just calling us a mystery to never be understood?

Uh, both, as far as I can tell. Seems like it's been that way for a looong time.

It has been posted and I haven't seen you there yet.

This is such a hard question, Karl.

Obviously the ideal man has a long list of great qualities and also DNA to match. But DNA without the qualities is still a man, although less so. A man who won't serve as protector or provider for his family is a poor excuse for a man, but still a man.

The reason I say there has to be proper DNA along with the qualities is that most if not all of the qualities should belong to women as well.

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by space cadet

 

After a grueling work day he would come home and rub his wifes sore shoulders.

You're a woman, aren't you?

I could tell.

WTF is that supposed to mean

reply to post by Karlhungis


A man is strong, he is a protector and a provider.

A woman is motherly, sensitive and irrational.

My opinion is tri-fold.

One part of man being or becoming a man is the ability to act like a child. This is not an easy feat. To accomplish this, a real man must be able to make fun of himself, find humor within when facing disaster, and performing or "acting" in a manner that amuses no one but his self. When a man can disperse a crowd using only delinquent demenor alone and without a feeling of embarrassment or guilt and without even a glancing thought of what those around him think, he is a man.

The second path that I believe defines what makes a man a man is the ability to be fair, balanced, logical, and touch others positively through these traits, as well as having wisdom and the awareness of it's most valuable usage. In other words, the traits of Kings such as Solomon makes a man a man. With diversity in the abundance of skills known to our world, delegating in streamline coordination of large undertakings can also make a man a man. Using a personal experience as an example, My only brother, a fallen firefighter, was built like Lou Feringno(sp), and very strong. I, on the other hand am built less with bulk and more with stamina and flexability. As his job was to fight fire, My profession uses fire as a tool. So, which is more of a man? The beafus defined muscular fire fighter, or the slender, tone and quicker flexible fire user? In some ways, his tales for instance, of finding a shoe with a foot in it down at the railroad tracks and explaining how light it is, more than you might think, seems to be a gruesome part of that job that only a man could stomach. Yet, In the opposite end of the spectrum, a story about a car that was delivered on a hook, because theives in the night stole it's charging system and other accessories, and the compression 0 LBS in two of the engines four cylinders as well, was enough evidence for the owner to determine it more cost effective to junk rather than repair. In the meantime, the car sat for a few weeks. Does a man make himself a man on compassion alone? No, the traits are abundant. Which brings me to the third of my opinions regarding this subject.

One day, a Muslem man, complete with turban and robe type attire, approached. Inquire he did in broken english if the car was for sale.

Trying to explain that the car was not only not for sale, was dead and waiting to be taken away, and that it was a customers on top of it all, was evidently lost in translation, for, the man had it in his head that this car was the car he wanted to purchase because "Alla" had somehow made it clear to him that this was the case.

After a few more frustrating minutes of unsuccessful explaination attempts, the Turban wearing man turned, walked over to the car, took a rolled up mat he had been packing under his flowing wardrobe, laid it on the ground beside the car, knelt down on it and began praying to Alla. He was convinced that he would get this vehicle which Alla had somehow brought him to.

Staring at this senseless behavior, I caught myself subconciously shaking my head as my eyes rolled. I walked into the office, grabbed my digital camera and captured this Mohammad moment with a photo. It was from a bay door for I didn't want to be all up in this dudes turban, so it is slightly distant, but still, I captured it.

I don't have an upload area handy, but I will get it online and post a link shortly for those who would like to see the image.

My point is, what makes a man a man in these and other situations?

Faith that Alla will put this man in a car that doesn't run but evidently, that isn't a problem as his excitement revealed. I guess Alla is great, He will repair it from the heavens.

Or is it the frustrated translator who could not compete with Alla, no matter the reality of things, yet had the patience and control to let the hope-happy rug toting Alla worshipper to flaunt his prone-ness next to a car that would require another muslem to push if it was to ever roll down the road again.

For this dead-car-jonesing-Alla-praising-nappy-turbaned-ho---I---mean--Man almost had me convinced that the car would just come to life as if a flying arabian carpet, or Steven King's "Christine".

With the patience of Jobe, the wisdom and fair jurisprudence of King Solomon, and the skills of many trades, a Man makes himself a man by accomplishing the things of God. Creation.

Creation of valueable items using a tool that others strive to smother, and destroy.

I believe I know what makes a man a man. Now, off to upload that picture.

As per reply on page 3, here is a link to the picture.
i528.photobucket.com...

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
A Man. Hmmm. In my opinion, the following are most, but not all of what I feel a man is.

I believe a man is someone who can take care of himself, accept all responsibilty for all his actions, respect others (well, those who deserve to be respected), respect himself, can be strong when needed and show a softer side when needed (and even cry).

Has maturity and morals but knows how to act like a kid too when appropriate (after all silliness/humour is a must to get thru life sometimes). He is humble when needed and proud when needed and able to discern when he should be either or.

If he has a family, he strives to care for and protect his family.

Im sure I could go on

and might add more as they come to mind!

As far as what a woman is. I cant really answer that, as I am a woman. I do look forward to hearing what others say about a woman.

sounds just like me. My womb-man is very lucky

reply to post by sc2099

WTF is that supposed to mean

Just what it means. I read what the poster had posted and concluded that the poster was a woman.

I haven't yet voiced an opinion on this interesting thread. I shall do so now. What makes a man a man is a Y chromosome and all that follows from it. The rest is just prejudice and wish-fulfilment.

There is a standard prescription of manhood that has existed in most cultures throughout history (and probably all of prehistory, too). It is defined by the traditional complex of 'masculine' attributes - strength, physical courage, fortitude, loyalty, 'honour' (meaning a propensity to react violently against threats both physical and psychological) and a half-exploitative, half-protective attitude towards women. In many societies today this prescription is no longer acceptable, which makes things confusing, but most men and women still understand and respond to it.

However, it has little to do with real manhood. Men are various, as are women, and their variety does not compromise or alter their sex in any way.

reply to post by Astyanax


Yes I am a woman, and that statement was followed by ' a real woman would recognize his plight and rub his instead'. I would never allow my man to be worn out tired, and come rub MY shoulders, I would rub his for sure, or his feet, or whatever ails him, because for me, when he is in pain, all I want is to ease that.

Originally posted by space cadet
Yes I am a woman, and that statement was followed by 'a real woman would recognize his plight and rub his instead'.

Indeed it was, and I could equally well have quoted that line, instead of the preceding one, and followed it with the same comment I made earlier. Your femininity was evident in the entire post, not merely in the one line.

Consider my hat doffed, Miss or Ma'am.

originally posted by: Karlhungis
So, in your opinion, what makes a man a man?
.....what in your opinion makes a woman a woman?

Spiritual and emotional maturity. That's about it.

a reply to: FlyersFan
What is this spiritual maturity you speak of?
I don't believe in anything like a soul, gods, ghosts, karma or anything else which I have seen no evidence to support it, does that make me spiritually mature or immature?
I am male. I am a commited father. What has 'spirituality' got to do with me being considered a man or not?

originally posted by: Karlhungis


For example, would you consider a 30 year old that lives at home with his parents, plays video games all day, has no job... a man or just an old boy? Conversely, would you consider a 30 year old that lives on his own, is raising a family, stands up for what he believes in...etc a man?

Where do you draw the line? Or is it simply, anyone with the correct set of genitals that has gone through puberty is a man...period.

Genitals do not make the man. Men are men who act like men and do all the right, yes stereotypical things - because that's what society expects - to an extent - Choose a woman to partner with, be a provider be a good father, caring human being etc..

I do not consider gay males to be men at all in any way shape or form. Likewise for gay women. These people display attributes of attraction to the sex which is normally reserved for the opposite gender, therefore a gay male cannot be a man anymore than a gay female can be a woman. I'd opt to have different terms for these people because obviously the normal gender term cannot fit their situation.

I'm not being mean and I am not sure I've explained that right but read it a few times and you may get the gist.

The 30 year old living at moms who play video games however is still a man IF he helps to take care of his mom at home or serves to benefit someone in his own way. Heck, I'm 46 do not work a steady job and play video games all day. Life is Good LOL But then I am retired and live in my own house.

My buddy who is 44 with no arms who lives at home and doesn't work is also a man.

Women are women for the same reasons men are men. In the case of real bad people who may be inherently evil they won't fit the definition of a man or woman either. I call em scum.