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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:12 AM by TheRepublic

reply to post by Skyfloating

hahah, no you definatly arnt missing anything this time around. ive never seen so little diffrence between the policies and positions of two presidential canidates than in this election.

I wouldnt vote if someone payed me to.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:14 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

If health care, abortion, civil rights, education, the environment are your priorities, I'd say Obama.

If religion, family, firearms, continued presence in the Middle East, homeland security, immigration reform, prayer in schools are where your interests lie, I'd say stick with McCain.

If you put it that way my vote would go to Obama. However, you´re being a bit biased and unfair in your definition of what makes a republican.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:21 AM by vor78

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin

True from an overall standpoint, but I believe that he's a supporter of the robotic exploration initiatives over manned exploration. That's something that I actually have no problem with, but if support for a manned space program is a sticking point for someone, they probably need to do their research on this guy.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:21 AM by Cadbury

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Im traditionally a non-voter. But seeing, in the last weeks (on these boards), how damn serious so many are taking this, Im just checking if there is something Im missing.

I'm not usually a man who advocates tradition, but in this case I advise you stick with yours. I've never voted and never will. I'm not going to play their silly little games. Don't believe the hype, man. People watch too much television and get all excited. They are very, very silly.

It's like the Eastenders (I cringe) catchphrase. "Everyone's talking about it." It always hooks a sucker. It's designed that way. I can't believe even Thompson fell for it almost every time. What a gibberish.

Originally posted by Karlhungis

Nobody08 for president!

Crucial art. Take note, Political Junkies.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:24 AM by vor78

reply to post by Skyfloating

Based on your criteria, I would probably argue that 'none of the above' is your best choice this fall. You're probably looking at less than 50% of that agenda being supported by either candidate, so there will be much that you disagree with whomever you choose.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:38 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin

reply to post by vor78

None of the above IS an option.

But i say again - we go through this every election year.

Both candidates are "crapier" the closer we get to november every election year

both candidates reveal what they're truely after - every election year.

Why not use that to your advantage, figure out who's corruption best suits you, and go with that?

Everyone supports Ron Paul.

I'll make this prediction:

Ron Paul has skeletons in his closet too.
He's no different than McCain and Obama in the sense that he's a politician.

The only reason we havent found out about the oldest skeletons yet is that he's not a major contender.

replace mccain with ron paul, and you would have people saying "i would vote for mccain, ron paul is full of it"

just a prediction

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 09:03 AM by vor78

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by vor78

Why not use that to your advantage, figure out who's corruption best suits you, and go with that?

LOL, that right there just about sums up our political process, doesn't it? And yes, that's basically what I do at the polling booth. Its the old 'lesser of two evils' thing.

As for Ron Paul, I agree with you 100%. I am about as skeptical of him as I am Barack Obama.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 09:23 AM by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Skyfloating
However, you´re being a bit biased and unfair in your definition of what makes a republican.

I don't doubt that. But McCain doesn't represent to me what a true Republican is any more than Obama represents a true Democrat. And you're going to hear biases. That's why it's important (IMO) to research yourself.

The problem in telling someone else how they should vote is that of the list you made, I don't know what's most important to you. The priority is absent. If healthcare is priority number one, then you'll vote one way. If "no to funds for Africa" is priority 1, you'll vote another way.

I don't know of anyone who aligns perfectly with either candidate. As has been said, that's the problem this year. People are all over the spectrum and so are the candidates.

It all depends on what you're priorities are.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 09:32 AM by Skyfloating

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Small government is my priority. That would mean not to vote this time (understanding what people have told me here).

Concerning your earlier definitions: Ive supported republicans before but that doesnt mean I support the church, guns, am anti-abortion, or support going to the middle-east. I think its wrong to limit republicans to such narrow stereotypes.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 10:02 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin

reply to post by Skyfloating

i agree sky, but in the context of this election - Republicans are gung-ho guns religion ,etc

What i find most hilarious is what we've learned in the past 7 years, leading up to this election

in a nutshell

republicans support illegal wiretapping in the best interest of "safety"
- democrats condemn it

democrats support "common sense gun laws" in the best interest of "safety"
- republicans condemn it

Both types of security are violations of rights, and neither side will submit to that.

I say you let both of them take effect, and stop the arguing

I bring this up because its a highly debated issue with Obama and his hand gun philosophy.

If you're for "no gun control" and against "no illegal wiretapping" then you're basing your arguments, 100%, on republican based ideals....and not your own.

i think i said all of that right, anyways?

Been a weird morning so far

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 10:02 AM by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Small government is my priority. That would mean not to vote this time (understanding what people have told me here).

Then I would go for Ron Paul. He's not 100% small government, but he's the closest of the candidates that I know of. Plus I REALLY like him for his stands on the War, Income Tax and the Constitution.

Concerning your earlier definitions: Ive supported republicans before but that doesnt mean I support the church, guns, am anti-abortion, or support going to the middle-east. I think its wrong to limit republicans to such narrow stereotypes.

Please hear this. I wasn't limiting "republicans" to that narrow definition.

I was saying that that's what John McCain represents to me.

See, I don't vote for a party. I have never in my 50 years belonged to a party. I don't like the party system. I don't care what letter follows a person's name. I was defining McCain.

Does that make sense?

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 05:19 AM by Skyfloating

THANKS TO ALL

Thank you for helping me with my decision.

I have decided not to vote for either Obama or McCain. Wiggins almost persuaded me to Obama, but in the end Im back to where I began before starting this thread: Donating to third-parties and libertarians.

Nevertheless, thanks for the informative read. At least now I know exactly where the respective candidates stand.

Obama will most likely get the majority vote for 4 years...based on the outside appearance of charisma.

Be well all and may you find peace.

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 08:35 PM by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Im a bit surprised how many people here have their mind set and fixed in stone about who they are going to vote.

For me (and maybe others...any others out there?) its not all as clear-cut as these two sides make it look. On voting day it could go either way...

Could some people, knowledgable enough on the subject, give me reasons why I should vote for one candidate and not the other? And maybe without all the stereotypes, just with plain factual information...the issues.

Since there are plenty of pros and cons I could come up with for both candidates and both parties, deciding is tough.

If I pretend for a moment that it really matters who´ s President and I´ll also put aside my hardcore libertarian values for this thread..who should I vote for and why?

Just be honest with yourself for only 25 seconds.
Truth be told, what are the odds your 1 vote will sway the
election one way or the other?

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 08:38 PM by Eurisko2012

reply to post by Skyfloating

Obama will lose because women over 40 years are NOT buying
his load of BS.

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 09:07 PM by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Obama will lose because women over 40 years are NOT buying
his load of BS.

Where do you get this? Every woman I know who is over 40 (including myself) supports Obama...

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 09:21 PM by Solarskye

Actually nobody should decide how you vote. You are your own person with your own beliefs and if you take someone else's advise then you are denying yourself the pleasure of winning or losing. You'll never learn that way. And I really want to know why we only have two choices out of 300,000,000 people in the United States? Is this the best we got, or the best the government can give to meet their satisfaction?

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 09:33 PM by solo1

Americans on their last stand will look back and ask why did we not vote for our statesman
Gravel
Kuncinich
Paul

what made us choose tyranny and loss of our freedom and control of our own affairs?

reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 12:11 AM by southern_Guardian

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Im a bit surprised how many people here have their mind set and fixed in stone about who they are going to vote.

For me (and maybe others...any others out there?) its not all as clear-cut as these two sides make it look. On voting day it could go either way...

Could some people, knowledgable enough on the subject, give me reasons why I should vote for one candidate and not the other? And maybe without all the stereotypes, just with plain factual information...the issues.

Since there are plenty of pros and cons I could come up with for both candidates and both parties, deciding is tough.

If I pretend for a moment that it really matters who´ s President and I´ll also put aside my hardcore libertarian values for this thread..who should I vote for and why?