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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 10:47 PM by Pocky
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Too many stupid people are voting without reading anything. I say Obama, though isn't very clear on his stance. People just expect him to make miracles cause he is supposed to be the great inspirational man that comes along in an unassuming package. Everybody think he is gonna be Christ, showing the world he does not come n the color of the artistocratic whites and he is nothing but inspiration without a clear delineated plan.


reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 10:52 PM by DeadFlagBlues
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Too many stupid people are voting without reading anything. I say Obama, though isn't very clear on his stance.



Did you really just say that?



reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 11:23 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Skyfloating



What issues are important to you? I think that's the deciding factor.

If health care, abortion, civil rights, education, the environment are your priorities, I'd say Obama.

If religion, family, firearms, continued presence in the Middle East, homeland security, immigration reform, prayer in schools are where your interests lie, I'd say stick with McCain.

If you want to vote for saving the Constitution, vote for Ron Paul.

If you want to send a message that you're not going to participate in a corrupt system, don't vote.

Having said that, I posted here about some of my thoughts:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by isa75



All of that negative stuff about Obama and his wife is not true. I know it's hard to read up on all of it, but after finding out so much of it was lies, I just can't believe anything I hear about them anymore. It's just a Republican tactic to make you afraid to vote for Obama.


reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 07:53 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Personal values:



Based upon this: Who is the better candidate for me?



* Small Government - Neither. Both candidates want larger governments.
* Self-responsibility - I dont follow you here, but i'll say neither.
* No foreign intervention - Both
* Yes to Universal Healthcare - Obama
* No to war (Instead: Diplomacy) - Obama
* Yes to Education - Obama
* Yes to Capitalism - Neither
* Yes to NASA - Both
* No to easy immigration - Neither (at this point anyways)
* No to funds for Africa (instead: Education) - McCain
* No to religion in politics - Obama
* No to "redistrubution of wealth" McCain



Now - one at a time

Small Government - Neither. Both candidates want larger governments.

Any form of government that gets added makes government larger. Office of homeland security? Larger government. Filled out "new employee" forms lately? My office has to update them, it seems, every year now, because that office changes them all the time. And we all know how liberals think.




Yes to Universal Healthcare - Obama

McCain offers us a tax credit - but we still pay for our own health care. out of pocket. Thats not universal when you can't afford to pay for it in the first place.





No to war (Instead: Diplomacy) - Obama
Pretty open and shut:

Obama says lets restore diplomacy

McCain say the IRAQ war is a noble war and how could we forget Bom bom bom, bom BOMB Iran - said jestfully? I find nothing funny about war. Especially when a conservative is making the joke.







Yes to Education - Obama

Both candidates talk a good game here: So lets see who voted for what

Barack Obama
# First Senate bill: increase Pell Grant from $4,050 to $5,100. (Aug 2007)
# Sponsored legislations that recruit and reward good teachers. (Sep 2004)
# Voted YES on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
# Voted YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
# Voted YES on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)


John Mccain
# Unrestricted block grants--let states decide spending. (Feb 2000)
# Voted NO on $52M for "21st century community learning centers". (Oct 2005)
# Voted NO on $5B for grants to local educational agencies. (Oct 2005)
# Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. (Mar 2005)
# Voted NO on funding smaller classes instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
# Voted NO on funding student testing instead of private tutors. (May 2001)
# Voted NO on spending $448B of tax cut on education & debt reduction. (Apr 2001)
# Voted YES on declaring memorial prayers and religious symbols OK at schools. (May 1999)
# Voted YES on allowing more flexibility in federal school rules. (Mar 1999)
# Voted YES on education savings accounts. (Jun 1998)
# Voted YES on school vouchers in DC. (Sep 1997)
# Voted YES on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
# Voted YES on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
# Voted NO on national education standards. (Feb 1994)
# Focus educational resources to help those with greatest need. (Jul 2001)
# Require state standards, regular assessments, and sanctions. (Jul 2001)
# Support Ed-Flex: more flexibility if more accountable. (Jul 2001)
# Rated 45% by the NEA, indicating a mixed record on public education. (Dec 2003)



My personal favorite: McCain Voted NO on shifting $11B from corporate tax loopholes to education. Obama voted Yes.








No to religion in politics - Obama
Refer to this list of things that McCain supports and endorses in the name of religion.





So out of a possible 12 points (based on your preferences)

McCain scores 4
Obama scores 6

So, fundamentally speaking, you should cast your vote for my good man Barack Hussein Obama

[edit on 7/29/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

[edit on 7/29/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]


reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 07:55 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Gateway



I like your post a lot and I basically agree with "I will vote for neither of them".

But I thought Id give it one last try with this thread and ask ATSers for urgent reasons to vote for one of them.


reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:05 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin



Thanks for your informed overview. Very helpful (for other readers as well Im sure). Starred.


reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:08 AM by vor78
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin



There are a couple of those I'd change, but the one of those I would really have a substantial disagreement with based on the facts at hand is Obama's stance on Nasa. He has strongly hinted at major cutbacks in the manned space program:

Article

[edit on 29-7-2008 by vor78]


reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:09 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to
post by Andrew E. Wiggin



Thanks for your informed overview. Very helpful (for other readers as well Im sure). Starred.


i dont see no stinking star


So, has this swayed you at all? One way or another?


reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 08:12 AM by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by vor78



here's an article that casts a completely different light.


Both candidates support NASA.


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