A Word to the Third Party and Non Voters

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posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


I'm more or less on the same page with the original post, voting is a waste and change will not happen (less than 5% chance that Obama will actually change the way things work in DC, 100% chance that nothing will change with McCain running the show). A third party vote is a waste, the only message you send by voting third party is that you are not sheeple, whoop de doo for you. A revolution is needed but will never happen as you pointed out because people are just too lazy. Not to mention that a nationwide revolution would take too much planning and the govt would shut it down real fast before it gets anywhere. Voting with your heart is a nice gesture but it is also a simple minded gesture. I suppose my point is don't vote, your vote does not matter, why bother wasting your time? Let's just keep bush in office and make him our dictator for life. It's nice to have an idiot in office telling the millions of idiots in this country that everything is fine, just go shopping!!!




posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 09:43 PM
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I noticed. It's as if she honestly believes we were born yesterday. And I'll just say it, the only alternative to fishing is that she is highly confused. My bet lies with the first option though.

Thing is OP, there are some of us on here that you can't play the stupid card with. You are not stupid, some of us here are not stupid, and your fishing games STINK!!!

You are pushing for the one world socialistic crap or you would NOT have singled out the third party and non voters........ bringing the non voters into it is what gives you away in your agenda for this thread.

The only other option is that you are a highly confused and dense person and I am not buying that for a second. Ignorant? yes...... Stupid? no



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma
ok..... but based on your question, why would you just single out third party and non voters? That is what makes me question your motives.


Because I'm curious about 3rd party and non-voters. For the most part, I understand why people are planning to vote for Obama or McCain. I didn't understand why people would NOT vote or would vote for someone who has no chance of winning. So I asked.

And, some people in this thread have actually helped me to understand that better. Thanks to The Republic, seagull, JackatMtn, DarkStormCrow and others who answered my questions instead of questioning my motives, I got my answer.


If it's not clear to you now, let me make it clear. I have NO intention of changing your mind or anyone's mind about who you're voting for. I don't care who you're voting for. My intent was made clear in my first post. Most people had no trouble at all understanding it. Most people don't see me as "confused" or "having an ulterior motive". Sorry, but that's just your suspicious mind.



To me, you are highly suspect of fishing for votes for your chosen party.


I don't have a chosen party.



Just calling it like I see it and curious about these things.


You're curious, huh? So that's why you ask questions, right? Same here. I am curious, and I ask questions and instead of answering them, you question my motives?

Well, fortunately for you, I'm not going to question yours. I'll just answer the best I can and wish that you would do me the same courtesy.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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I've never thought the election process actually worked, ever since I remember reading about the process of how it's done while learning about America in History class and Social Studies, etc, I understood fully well that the election process is a dog and pony show, to make more money for the politicians, who pay people to work for them, who are in essence a shield from the corruption they practice.

Here's a good book :

Votescam: The Stealing of America



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma
I noticed. It's as if she honestly believes we were born yesterday. And I'll just say it, the only alternative to fishing is that she is highly confused. My bet lies with the first option though.


Why is it, then, that everyone else in these 5 pages totally gets what I'm saying, even if they don't agree and even though they're either not voting or voting for a third party? Why is it that you and Lloyd are the only ones who think I've some ulterior motive?

Some of these people have known me for a long time. You guys are fairly new and don't know me. I'll give you a break.

I am far from stupid or dense, I'm not ignorant and I'm not fishing. Think whatever you like but I'd appreciate you not dragging this thread off topic further. This thread is not about me. It's about the choices we have before us and why we make those choices. If you need a refresher, please re-read the first post.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 10:35 PM
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I think it could work. But the amount of corruption and the fact that people's votes can be bought make it all but impossible.

I sometimes wonder how long this plan to "steal America" has been going on...



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 10:43 PM
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Good Question. I was actually wondering the same thing myself. But just for the record, go back and you will see that not everyone bought your explanation of motives, they just ignored it. I guess I am not the type to ignore the blatant ulterior motives in your threads. I would have more respect if you would just come out and say what you wanted to say.

If you wanted to know why ppl were voting 3rd party or not voting at all, then it seems that you could have just asked instead of going on a long ramble about how you think ultimately it doesn't matter or does matter or I am not even sure what all that was. lol

Besides, you have had other threads that you claimed were for the same purpose, so I am sorry, your motives are still highly suspect. And you answered much the same way you did now. You are backtracking all over the place. I don't buy the innocent act.

But whatever......... carry on. Said what I had to say.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 


I think it could work. But the amount of corruption and the fact that people's votes can be bought make it all but impossible.

I sometimes wonder how long this plan to "steal America" has been going on...


Are you certain it would work?

The corruption has set in so deep, it's cost countless lives already.

Check out this thread I've recently done, where I've nailed down the entire process of inter-connection with the corruption.

Pretexts Towards War and the President’s Dagger Hidden Behind A Smile

[edit on 28-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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I've already posted this on another thread but its worth posting again....

According to Dr. Thomas J. DiLorenzo if you are a believer in the Constitution then do your patriotic duty and DON'T VOTE THIS ELECTION!!:

The Republican Party today stands for an explosive growth of the welfare state and is spending money on such programs as fast as Lyndon Johnson ever did. The Democrats are as bad or worse.

On foreign policy the Republican Party is dominated by crazed Wilsonians who want to involve the U.S. military in perpetual global warfare "to spread democracy." As with all such imperialistic ventures, this would eventually bankrupt the country and create countless enemies who would like nothing better than to destroy us by the millions with nuclear weapons or poison. The Democrats are as bad or worse.

Both political parties are competing to grant amnesty to all illegal aliens, as the first step along the way to allowing completely open borders. Combining open borders with an explosively growing welfare state will invite all the deadbeats of the world to come to America, with all their extended family members in tow, to "celebrate democracy" by voting themselves more and more of the hard-earned dollars of those of us who work for a living in this country. This would cause the welfare state to eventually eat up a huge portion of national income, probably half or more. American taxpayers would be nothing but docile slaves to the Washington, D.C. plantation.

The government schools long ago gave up teaching anything significant about the founding fathers, the Constitution, and the philosophy of limited government – other than to trash and demean them. In a democracy it is not in the state’s best interest to educate its own citizens about the virtues of limited government, and ours doesn’t. And it certainly will never make any attempt to do so with the hordes of new immigrants it hopes to attract (and register to vote). Belief in the Constitution is essentially a lost cause.

That’s why it is unpatriotic to vote. Being patriotic in America means being devoted to the Constitution, if not the natural rights philosophy that motivated much of it. Since neither of the major political parties has any interest whatsoever in enforcing the constitutional limitations on the state, they are all traitors to the Constitution (with one lone exception, Congressman Ron Paul).

Anyone who supports them is also behaving in a traitorous manner. That is, anyone who votes for any of them. Voting only allows these traitors to the Constitution to proclaim that "the people have spoken" and "I am your president," or congressman, senator, governor, or whatever. Their legitimacy rests solely on their ability to make this claim.

Imagine what a patriotic thrill you would receive if, in the next presidential election, a mere 10 percent of the electorate, instead of the usual 50 percent or so, voted. The unconstitutional regime in Washington would be de-legitimized. The upside is that it might just be possible that some politicians in Washington would get the message and start behaving more like a George Washington or Thomas Jefferson than a Tony Soprano or Vito Corleone (with apologies to all the distinguished Italian-Americans out there). The downside is that they will keep on behaving as they do now – with complete contempt for the Constitution and the population it is supposed to benefit. So be patriotic: Don’t vote.

Source:www.lewrockwell.com....

Disclaimer: I encourage ALL WHO ARE DISSATISFIED WITH THE SYSTEM TO NOT VOTE!!!! Although please do vote at your local level because of new sales tax or initiative



[edit on 28-7-2008 by Gateway]



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma
I would have more respect if you would just come out and say what you wanted to say.


For one thing, your respect is not a priority to me. Secondly, I did come out and say what I wanted to say. I said exactly what I wanted to say. And you are one of 2 who can't seem to figure it out. That's not my problem.



instead of going on a long ramble about how you think ultimately it doesn't matter or does matter or I am not even sure what all that was. lol


I think it's pretty clear who is confused here.




I am sorry, your motives are still highly suspect.


My motives are not suspect. YOU are suspicious. That, too, is your issue. Not mine.



You are backtracking all over the place. I don't buy the innocent act.


I have not once backtracked. I believe you are confused. And I'm not acting innocent. In fact, I'm not innocent. I'm actually educated, experienced and worldly.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 11:05 PM
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Spartan, I will check out your thread tomorrow. It looks really good.

reply to post by Gateway
 


Ugh! You make too much sense!


I strongly stand by and uphold the Constitution. I understand your point completely. I've addressed it somewhat in this thread. But what can I say? I get it. You guys have made your case for not voting.

I don't think I could do it. Not yet. Perhaps I'll change my mind in the next few months.


Originally posted by GatewayThat is, anyone who votes for any of them. Voting only allows these traitors to the Constitution to proclaim that "the people have spoken" and "I am your president," or congressman, senator, governor, or whatever. Their legitimacy rests solely on their ability to make this claim.


Isn't this only true, though if nobody votes? Because if half the people vote and the other half refuse, it still happens. After all, something like only 40% of us vote anyway. 40% of us are the speaking public who choose our leaders for us.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 11:08 PM
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Don't vote at the Federal level...too much scum there! But I do think voting locally will make a difference either at the state level, or at your local level, (City/County) since it usually involves sales taxes, initiatives, referendums which may have more of a direct impact in your life.

[edit on 28-7-2008 by Gateway]



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 11:09 PM
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Sounds good from this end. There's that thread, as well as a bunch of others I included showing links back to Bush, September 11th, IBM, Hitler, and the Holocaust all being interconnected, and the current people influencing politics now, the Bilderberg Group as well.

Great thread you've got here by the way. Hope you don't do this on a laptop and plan on traveling across a national boundary anytime soon though, as they search for keywords as well as copyright violation materials.


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posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
as they search for keywords as well as copyright violation materials.



The keywords I understand. But what are you saying about copyrights?



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
as they search for keywords as well as copyright violation materials.



The keywords I understand. But what are you saying about copyrights?


Check out some of the other threads, where everyone is talking about how Customs is now searching laptop computers to find copyright materials and child pornography.

The child pornogrpahy I can understand 100%, but what does Customs have to do with searching for "illegally downloaded MP3's." Keywords is something I figured out through intelligence, and it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to know this is a way as well to search for people smuggling top secret documents and spies going or coming from America or other countries around the world.

Here's one for you :

U.S. Defends Laptop Searches At The Border

[edit on 28-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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In my opinion, if everyone stops playing this game of voting for the "lesser of two evils" or voting for who you think will win, then maybe, just maybe, we can get some other parties into the mix.

If I had a dime for every time I have heard of these catch phrases about voting for the heck of it, then I would be a rich man. In conclusion, I think the OP and others like him/her are in the wrong. Maybe we can all make a difference if we stop playing the prom king game.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 12:24 AM
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this will be the election year when i refuse to vote any longer.

participating in a corrupt system is futile.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 01:06 AM
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I'm not abstaining because I feel I'm wise, enlightened, or more "awake" than anyone else. I'm abstaining because my conscience won't allow me to vote for anyone who supports policies that I don't believe in or which I believe will directly result in needless suffering.

For me, it's a personal ethical decision that has nothing to do with thinking that I'm somehow more aware than anyone else. I was going to vote for Obama. He seemed like the first candidate ever to resonate with my personal feelings and beliefs. However, since becoming the presumptive Democratic nominee, his words and deeds have veered away from what I had hoped. That isn't a judgment or criticism of him; it's just a personal opinion of how much my own views and hopes seem to align with his stated policies.

My views align even less with the other candidates, and since I'm not ethically comfortable with choosing "the lesser of several evils," I choose not to vote. There's a chance he could be what he claims but that's moot for me. He would have to be putting on a show in order to win votes that he will contradict once elected at this point in order for my views to align with his policies if elected, and I wouldn't vote for someone disingenuous either. I can't win either way.

So ethically, I can't in good conscience vote for anyone now. It isn't about feeling aware or awake. It's a matter of personal conscience, and I don't expect or want anyone else to agree with me.

I also respectfully disagree with the contention by some that those who do not vote forfeit their right to speak out against subsequently implemented policies. By not taking part in a system or philosophy with which I disagree, I in fact feel that I reserve the right more so than not, to disagree with policies set by those serving as aspects or proponents of that system and philosophy. This too, however, is merely personal opinion and personal ethics, and not something I expect or seek for anyone else to embrace or agree with.

[edit on 7/29/2008 by AceWombat04]

[edit on 7/29/2008 by AceWombat04]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 01:37 AM
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I'm not abstaining.


All of the horrible things that have been mentioned on this thread are issues which came about due to the last 8 years of government. And yes, some of it started in the previous 8 years before that.

Which is why I was so happy when Obama defeated Hillary for the Democratic Nomination. That was very symbolic for me of the end of the old politics.

I have only voted once before, many years ago, and it was never for a republican or democrat.

This is the first time I am voting Democrat, and It's because of Obama.

Ok, let the flames begin...



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:18 AM
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I absolutely agree with you BH on the part of it not mattering.
I personally am sickened by this whole process. The pandering on both sides is ridiculous.






Oh please.

I know they all do it, but its annoying to watch.
People think I defend Obama because I support him when it's just the opposite. I am so sick of lies and politics that whenever I see someone perpetrating a fraudulent claim I am at times compelled to bust them on it.

It's just that most of those claims on this site are about Obama and not McCain.

I won't be voting either because there is no candidate for me.
I don't think either candidate will do a damn thing but keep the circus up and running.

I am sick of the circus.


Originally posted by TheRepublic
well im glad you realize it dosnt matter. im glad you seem more open minded then some on here.
voting for ron paul dosnt matter anymore either.


Damn right.

Ron Paul isn't going to save us.
He's just a politician just like any other.

- Lee





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