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posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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Would the United States military ever consider overthrowing an elected President of the United States Of America if they deemed that the setting President was detrimental to the safety and protection of the Republic and the selling us out to the NWO plus undermining as well as implementing the total dissolutionment of our Constitution?

What could possibly cause a Civil War In the United States Of America? Will the rich set idly back and let Obama take their wealth away from them if he wins the Presidency? With Obama's communist philosophies and possible implementations how will this further affect the stock Market, businesses and investments in this country if he wins?

What will happen to the civil rights of the Caucasians in the U.S. if Obama is elected? Will the United States of America become a giant socialistic welfare state if Obama is elected? Will religious freedoms be in question if he is elected? Will weapons including guns be confiscated eventually from the U.S. Citizens if he wins?

Will gas prices skyrocket even more so if Obama gets into office? If Obama is elected and declares Marshall Law for whatever reason plus proceeds with the dissolutionment of the Constitution Of the U.S. would he call for the killing or imprison of his rivals in the many concentration camps in what was once the United States Of America?

If Marshall law is declared by Obama again for whatever the reason would the hundreds of thousands of U.N. troops based in the U.S. be used to round up what would be deemed dissidents to Obama's regime? Will he follow Mao, Stalin and Karl Marx's example of taking over our dearly beloved country? Since Obama never seems to give a straight answer these are serious questions that have to be answered before Obama is possibly elected to the Presidency.

We are standing at the door of possibly the greatest change the United States Of America has ever experienced in it's young history including the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korean, Vietnam, and Iraqi wars if Obama is elected. The question is how bad do you want Obama's changes?
Rik Riley


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posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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"I agree with you 100%! The sad part is that the media is making some people feel his election is a foregone conclusion. People are forgetting about the silent majority."

You forget about electronic voting and the fact that they haven't fixed it despite many reports of easily hacking the vote and erasing all clues that it was changed



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 03:18 PM
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I would not see any problem with Communism or Socialism coming to the US.

The again, I'm a Canadian. I just feel that it is absurd how much hate is directed and propagated towards Communism and Socialism in the US.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by rikriley
Would the United States military ever consider over throwing an elected President of the United States Of America if they deemed that the setting President was detrimental to the safety and protection of the Republic and the selling us out to the NWO plus undermining as well as implementing the total dissolutionment of our Constitution?

[edit on 28-7-2008 by rikriley]


I think we'd be more likely to see that happen if Obama wins than if McCain does. Why? The military would be more sympathetic towrds McCain, especially after the way Obama keeps dissing the troops.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by BCBLOOD
I would not see any problem with Communism or Socialism coming to the US.


You don't live here! Socialism is unconstitutional!



Originally posted by BCBLOOD
The again, I'm a Canadian. I just feel that it is absurd how much hate is directed and propagated towards Communism and Socialism in the US.


Socialism is about nothing more than the government accumulating the balance of power from the people and the individual for the purpose of controlling the people and the individual. Socialism in the U.S. would destroy us by eliminating the principles under which we were founded. Socialist movements in this country must be eliminated by any and all means possible.

By the way, if you like socialism so much then more power to you er...I mean to your government. But please stay north of the border with your socialism.

over and out



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Socialism and communism is far superior than the american comnstitution. Socialism in the US would be a blessing to them. It may give more of the power to trhe government (but who are you kidding if you thought you had any in the first place :@@
but it takes all of the power away from private corporations which make you far poorer. Americans are silly for thinkin they have a successful system in the first place. Your ranked right under costa rico pfff. The only problem with communism and socialism is thats americans never had the chance to understand it. Done properly its the way societies should be, its people helping people instead of people helping themselves and taking from others. Im canadian and we are not much different from americans but our school is redicualously cheaper and our health care is awesome (even though its no where near some countries sytems). So to any americans reading this you should vote communist because you will get back more than you give by FAR



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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Its a fact that Obama is rated more to the Left then THE ONLY OPEN SOCIALIST in US goverment....


You might not here it on the Major Media, but its true none-the-less...


Obama is a Far-Leftist... with Socialist Tendicies...


Will he be a horrible think for America, Yes...

Will she survive... i hope so...



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 04:23 PM
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Yes we do have an infant mortality rate on par with Crotia's. The United States IMR is 6.3. Crotia's IFM is 6.49, and the UK's IMR is 4.93. So let's round the numbers, that would give an IMR for Crotia of 6, an IMR for the United States of 6, and an IMR for the UK of 5, i don't see much difference there do you ?


America has medical assistance for low income people, and pregnant woman that do not have health insurance can receive medical insurance through public aide, as well as receive health and prenatel care through county hospitals and clinics. If they choose not to use these services it is by choice,not because the services are not there. We also have something called WIC (women, infants,and children) which supplies pregnant women with supplimental food, as well as supplimental food (including formula which can be very expensive) immunizations, etc for children up to the age of five. So please don't sit in judgement saying that we have a high IMR due to the fact of no health care, because it's not true.


And let's not forget that there are other factors involved in the IMR besides no health care, there are outside factors involved here. There are women that refuse to get proper prenatel care, women that refuse to stop smoking (and in some cases drinking and taking drugs) during pregnancy. Young girls that are not even capable of taking care of themselves, let alone a child, having babies. People that refuse to stop smoking around their babies and children, which causes health problems for the children. SIDS which has nothing to do with health care. I could go on and list many other factors, but i think i have listed enough.



So yes while our IMR could be lower, it has nothing to do with the fact that we are not a socialist country and do not have national health care, because we do have health care for those that truely need it.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 04:36 PM
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What makes you guys think you will be better off with Obama, or Bush or ANYONE else? Its not likely to have almost any impact on wars or etc.

I am from Australia, but honestly those that are in power, are going to stay in power one way or another. Someone new is still going to be controlled to do the exact same things that their puppet masters want. They are just puppets, controlled by bigger and more powerful people.

Read your local or any newspaper these days and its all the same old, same new material. The powerfully rich people are the ones in control, not ordinary people like us. Polls are there just for the illusion to make people think they are in control, but honestly.. I am convinced that it is not.

Unfortunately in Australia we are FORCED to vote (or get a fine), or else id not even bother.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK
Oh boy, what part of this do you not understand?...



Where do you source that information? Some socialist party manifesto?

It is contradictory to every accepted defintion of socialism.

For the last time.

State owned and managed = socialism.
Theoretically stateless = communism.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45
Most of Europe would be speaking German now if we Americans hadn't thrown our lot in to stave off the Axis forces.



Must feel good Lloyd, the U.S. of A. saving the western world as we know it.

Get off your high horse please. 80% of Nazi casualities were inflicted by Russian soldiers. They were in Berlin while we were still in France. You should also remember the commitment of Great Britain was no less than that of the belated United States.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 05:03 PM
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I wish everyone would drop the whole "Communism", Capitalism and Socialism bit, we need to start thinking as Global citizens. If you let these "Play On Words" continue, you will never be free.

When people start catching on to politics from anywhere and any country, you will see that they use the play on words to anger people, or to make them feel attacked.

When the public mob becomes too intelligent, they will always "Dumb It Down" and make people discuss issues that are irrelevant.

We are all stuck with each other on this planet and we are all connected weather you like it or not.

So, a thread like this seems to just further the cause of clubbing each other over the head for centuries to come.

I am sure all the wealthy and elite rich people enjoy watching the majority on this planet beat themselves over the head while they get richer and make it impossible for anyone to have an equal quality education by raising the cost.

Educate the ignorant and the pendulum will swing the other way.

It's funny to listen to people go on and on about politics and who is a communist and who is a radical right wing extremist. These candidates have been hand picked and democracy in America is only an illusion.

Real democracy is having all potential candidates run at once instead of being weeded out by who can raise a half billion dollars in one year.

Your democracy is taken away from you with the money that is printed. As for me, I will not be a part of the Illusion that just keeps on churning. So I am not voting at all, why bother when I don't have a candidate to vote for.

So please, continue to eat each other over nothing. Because at the end of this next Presidents Term, you will still have the same issues.

Economy, Education, Terrorism, Health Care and Social Security. It's been broke for 50 years now and we talk about the same stuff every 4 years.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 05:21 PM
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Excellent post. Star and flag of course!

I find it absolutely shocking that most Americans basically accept this man as a viable candidate for this office when he's the most radical left-wing socialist to ever get this far. Besides the fringe nutjobs who are excited about his campaign, I don't think the majority of Obama's supporters have much real knowledge about who he is and the policies he truly endorses. The fact that he lies, panders and changes his stated position on issues depending on the group he happens to be addressing at the moment (and the fact that the mainstream media allow him to get away with this) does not help matters.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by Wotan
For a nation that has the amount of wealth the US has, it is very selfish with it. Dont you care about your own citizens? It doesnt look like it from this side of the pond.

To me, the US is a third World Country with money.


Why should I have to give up the money I work hard to earn in order to support the useless members of society who are incapable (or unwilling) of supporting themselves? Your argument makes absolutely no sense.

As for the Third World comment, that's so obviously inaccurate it does not deserve a response. The only reason there are any such elements in this country is because idiotic liberal policies have been in place. The welfare state creates more lazy, unproductive people who produce nothing but criminal hoardes of children just like them. Open borders policies allow Third World scum to flow into our nation and introduce their vile, base cultures.

But you can stay in your socialist nanny state full of Muslim terrorists. I'll stay here and do my best to make sure we don't become any more like you.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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Well, I don't think right wing Americans like us commenting about their government.

It's obvious that they want an anarchist-capitalist system (anarcho-capitalism?). They seem to have this paranoid fear about the government messing with their lives if they introduced something that even resembled a health care system.

Why even have a government? You're all scared of it, but if they didn't bail out the big mortgage lenders, and there will be more bail outs in the future, everyone would be screaming bloody murder and asking "why isn't the government helping us!?".

Like I mentioned earlier, the big bail out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac seems like the government screwing around with the free market, and instilling socialist ideals.

So pure un-checked capitalism where everyone fights tooth and nail for bricks and mortar are only good until something goes wrong?

Of all liberal democracies, America is the odd one out in my mind. All I'm hearing on these boards when Obama comes up is "I work for my money and everyone else can go jump!".

Well, if you're so hung up about it, don't pay taxes and don't vote - don't even work!

Have another violent civil war and revolution when Obama is voted in, and install the autocratic theocracy you so desperately want and stop whining about it.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
This country was founded on the principles of working hard to get ahead, not working hard so that someone who doesn't work hard, can benefit from your work.


that argument went out the window with the industrial revolution and great depression. Both of which clearly illustrated the huge divide between classes of those "working hard" and those that "benefit from your work." Tell yourselves whatever sweet lies and nothings you must to keep from waking up with night terrors, but the truth is - hard work does not pay off in america. Hard work, business savvy, gift of gab, innovation, etc. These all work sometimes, but the classic rags to riches stories of blood sweat and tears are the stuff legends are made from.

One good example would be Nikola Tesla. Probably one of the most innovative, hard working and honest people to ever grace america with his work - and it was all stolen out from under him due to lack of business smarts, mixed with nefarious exploitation by one of the aforementioned aristocrats getting paid from other's labor (and that's not including Edison or Guglielmo Marconi taking credit for his work as well).



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

Barack Obama was born of Communist activists, mentored by a communist writer and activist, spent his college days hanging around radical activists, worked as a radical community organizer learning the radical tactics of Alinsky, kept contact with radicals through the years, attends a radical church, and today lends his political skill to the international goals of radical activists, and has radicals working on for his campaign.

Obama and his commuinist background

Obama is more than a left-wing liberal. Please take a few moments to peruse the above link. It is a frightening chronicle of his communist activities over the years. His trip to Europe, and his proposals there, leave no doubt that if elected, he would become the first communist president, at least in spirit and philosophy, if not in membership.



Where is the proof behind these communist accusations? I'm not voting for Obama but I find all this mud slinging childish. For those who are so afraid of or disgusted by communism, do you understand what it entails? You realize that past communist nations such as Russia did not resemble Karl Marxx's hope of a communist society,we now have a twisted definition and view point of communism.

I don't desire being a communist and I know why others wouldn't, but communism is not something I find evil or misguided, and I don't think it is something we should ever involve ourselves in stopping another country from choosing to take on as we have in the past.


So what if Obama were, lets say, a muslim? It is really offensive that so many people know this would seriously altar his chances to be our president.

So what if he was a communist? You really think in eight years this country's congress and people (an incredibly anti-communist bunch) would allow this country to become communist.

As for those who cry socialist this country is A LOT more socialized than others. Many people vote and support for further socializing our nations. They have in the past and I expect with the gap between the poor and rich getting wider that they will continue to do so in the future. If you keep calling Obama a socialistic liberal (though he holds more conservative stances than any liberal and many Democrats) you're probably gaining him more votes, especially from the young. So keep it up, and get him elected.

Why waste your time with these silly attacks? Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain need to be hit hard for the things they've ACTUALLY done and are ACTUALLY apart of, something many including the media want to ignore, and you play right into their hands, arguing over useless crap that was intended to and does distract you.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by mattguy404
Well, I don't think right wing Americans like us commenting about their government.



So, do you really "enjoy" it when we take the Australian government to task for, let's say, creating a defenseless society by banning guns?

Level playing field, OK?



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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Your democracy is taken away from you with the money that is printed. As for me, I will not be a part of the Illusion that just keeps on churning.

Real democracy is having all potential candidates run at once instead of being weeded out by who can raise a half billion dollars in one year.


First of all, let's get this straight. The US government is NOT a democracy, it is a Republic, with representative government.




I wish everyone would drop the whole "Communism", Capitalism and Socialism bit, we need to start thinking as Global citizens. If you let these "Play On Words" continue, you will never be free.


Another "One Worlder". Look at what a great (not) job the UN has done. What a joke. If that is your concept of Global citizens, I want no part of it. The UN is a poor excuse for second rate nations to rattle the US. It's a total waste. Why hasn't the UN done anything about Darfur, if you people are so concerned about it.

A quote from the former Soviet Union citizens about socialism/communism:

"In the USSR, we pretend to work, and the government pretends to pay us." That certainly sounds like welfare to me.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 06:55 PM
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I don't desire being a communist and I know why others wouldn't, but communism is not something I find evil or misguided, and I don't think it is something we should ever involve ourselves in stopping another country from choosing to take on as we have in the past.


It's too bad you couldn't ask the tens of millions of people that were murdered by Joe Stalin whether communism was evil or misguided.






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