Originally posted by Wotan
A society (country) who cannot look after its own people, ie the poor, is not a society at all, hence the US is a Third World country with money.
You tell me if it is right to let your own citizens suffer?
The American working person is the most exploited and downtrodden in the Western World ...... if thats your idea of the American Dream, you can keep
it. I'll stay my side of the pond.
As someone has pointed out, look to the Northern European/Scandinavian countries and you will see that their standards of living are far higher than
In the UK we have a 37.5 hr week, a minimum wage, 4 weeks minimum annual leave entitlement plus bank holidays, maternity and paternity leave, sick
leave entitlement, a National Health Service - all for a tax of approximately 1/3 of total income. 70% of the population own their own homes.
I am not saying that our (European) system is perfect, but I would rather be poor in Europe than poor in America.
I know most of the UK, are you telling me that there are no poor in the UK, and that everybody is taken care of??? (I own a house in Plymouth)
No, the European is, that is why there is very little social escalation in most of Europe, that is why so many people from Europe, and the UK, come to
My native Canada has standards of living higher then they do and, as you must know this system is increasingly being turned away from, since Swedish,
Danish and Dutch companies started going under or moving elsewhere. (Also note the unemployment rate in those countries)
For how long will you have the Welfare state? Most European Governments I have talked to expect the system to be bust in 10 to 20 years. As you know,
the age of retirement is being increased, in almost every country, from three to five years (here, in Portugal you have to work 5 more years before
you can retire). Thus, many pensioners in European countries will be dead, or in their last years, when they become eligible for their pensions.
As for the unemployment rates, Spain ~16%; France and Germany ~12%, UK (specially grievous in Scotland) ~8 or 9%....
Europe has many systems, to which are you referring?
As for being unemployed I totally agree with you (UK vs. USA), but again in depends on the country you live in...And it is also a question of
mentality, like a Briton born, or raised, under "Old" Labor you always think of unemployment as the basis for your theory, Americans, on the other
hand, think of giving the lest they can to their Government...
When referring to a country please state it's name, since I have no knowledge of a country called Europe...even thou I have traveled throw most of
the Continent, and have houses in some countries...
Sweden: Saab - gone under, now belong to Ford MC (US firm)
Volvo - gone under, now belongs to GM (US firm)
Ericsson - gone under, now Sony/Ericsson ( Japanese firm)
After threatening the Swedish Government, with moving to another country, it got special tax
Welfare State - Actually a Canadian model implemented after WW2, will be bankrupt, at this rate of Government expansions, between 2015
and 2018, according to the mildly right new Swedish Government...
Unemployment rate nearing 15% (according to The Financial Times)...
Just an example of what I am saying...