Originally posted by ANOK
Actually capitalism really doesn't work.
The reason the world is in such a mess now is because of capitalism.
The reason the world hasn't been blown away is because of capitalism
It's why we're in Iraq etc. It's why so many in the world are starving. It's why people are losing their homes.
Now yo uare begining to sound like, if we just get rid of capitalism we will all live in utopia happily ever after. People are losing their homes
because they don't understand finance and the fiduciary responsibility of disciplined money management and are victims of usery by their own stupid
choices. Caveat Emptor
If it wasn't for capitalism we could have been off oil years ago, the only reason we keep using it is because it makes more money than solar,
or other cheaper energy sources.
That's speculation and in a capitalist society if solar was that much better, it would have taken off in the market place. Solar still has serious
weakneses and is not a viable replacement. Even to this day it has much further to go before it can be considered. Had we dumped oil for solar and
put huge investment in solar, we wouldn't be any better off. Solar is a big industry where I live but the homes that have it, we see it getting
replaced all the time.
What about all the inventions that have been suppressed, because they would hurt someone else’s inflated bank account. This country has
been living on debt for years, it’s not making enough money to cover it, the wealth in this country is an illusion. What happens when the monies
with socialism, the money doesn't even matter because you don't own it.
Under capitalism you are not free, someone owns you, your boss, your bank, your landlord, your government.
Capitalism means you have obligations and you take care of your obligations, No one owns you and that is just sillyness.
It's a master-slave system. The few get to live in luxury while the many struggle with scraps that drop off their table. We are dominated,
exploited, coerced, repressed.
No it isn't a master slave system and those that know how to use the system can make a very good living. If you do not know how to make your value
commensurate with work, knowledge and your experience, than I suggest you hook up with those that know how to turn a buck, and make that buck work for
them. Go read a book, see a seminar by suzi orton, read think and grow rich by napolean hill, I don't care just leave your timidity for getting a
life of your own out of my life because you sound like a minimalist. This country didn't get where it has by everyone being to gutless to think they
can be more than average income earners.
Even the poor here get so much in Government aid, they get dirt cheap housing in nice places, and around $900 a month SSI just to sit on their ass and
get high. Socialism makes everyone equal.
They are all equally poor.
(the top wealthy 5% who own 80% of the wealth).
Yeah and that has nothing to do with Capitalism, Capitalism only makes it possible that a percentage like that can even happen in the first place. Do
you get that? You see you are looking at this from the wrong angle. Capitalism doesn't tell anyone who will be wealthy and who won't. Ability
and training and talent and skill and knowledge is what does that.
Capitalism enables us to discover who the 5% are that have the income performance where they are producing that much more than the 80% that just
don't give a hoot. You are asking us to join that 80% perfomance level that wants to ride on the coat tails of that one capitalist who lifts for
every ten socialists who like to lean.
Socialism can't work without villifying top income earning perfomers as if they got where they are by appointment and not hard work and sacrifice.
When it comes to socialism, you sacrifice true success and barter it for security and mediocrity. You can keep your silly socialism, it is insulting
to even suggest anyone sell themselves so short thinking if we all care about everyone, then we all win!
Only in a perfect world of the Borg but NOT here in the U.S.
How can the individual fully express his own desires when he has to spend most of his time labouring to survive in a system set up to benefit
You think like the typical socialist and associate wealth with hard labor rather than working smart and knowing how to use compound interest and the
rule of 72.
Socialism means you are condemned to settling for the crumbs of life and working for everyone but you. Socialism is for the ambitionless know
nothings that have no dream to be anything more than a cog in the system keeping things on a flatline and they dream in black and white never seeing
them become reality. It is a lifestyle of rut and frustration for those talented individuals it holdsback just rewards and they begin to let lose
their gifted ability never amounting to much more than the guy selling meat on a stick and the malls food court.
Some people giving orders and others obeying them: this is the essence of servitude. Of course, as [right-Libertarians] smugly
[observe], 'one can at least change jobs,' but you can't avoid having a job -- just as under statism one can at least change nationalities but you
can't avoid subjection to one nation-state or another. But freedom means more than the right to change masters. Bob Black ["The Libertarian as
Conservative, The Abolition of Work and other essays, p. 147]
Financial independence is every bit within the average Americans grasp as poverty is. When you can see the benefits in that, you are the captain of
your own ship. Where you get this idea of slave and master is just typical socialist embellished bull.
‘Freedom means more than the right to change masters’
The only choice you have is to be governed, exploited, or destitute and homeless. Capitalism destroys freedom…
capitialism enables all we take for granted and your grim version of our ways is just plane bunk. You don't sound like you could work an honest days
work for an honest days pay on your life.
[w]e stress the advantages of the free enterprise system, we complain about the totalitarian state, but... we have created more or
less of a totalitarian system in industry, particularly in large industry. Robert E. Wood, the chief executive officer of Sears, [quoted by Allan
Engler, Apostles of Greed, p. 68]
That isn't capitalism, that is greed and the only way greed works is when we add more socialism to our capitalism and that never works. We don't
use capitalism now so why are you critical of it? The socialist model of economics and social welfare, politics etc has always produced a mediocre
minds having no more incentive than to do just the least they have to to get by on whatever they think is never enough and when it comes yo socialism,
it is NEVER enough.
Socialism affords you just enough out of life to piss you off.
I could write a book on what’s wrong with capitalism, but I’ll leave at this for now.
See this is the typical problem with people into socialism and why they can't sell it. It is like the comment you just made.
No one will buy a book about socialism until you can show you know a little more than what you read about on websites. We can all do that.
Like I said, it sounds wonderful on paper and it may be right for you, in fact I think it IS best for you.
But it isn't for me, and THAT is why we don't have it here because with Capitalism, I can make as little as I want or I can make more than I
expected, more than my wildest dreams in some cases.
I would rather try something great and fail then do next to nothing and succeed. Socialism would be a slap in the face to every single American in
our history who has ever spilled his blood for me so that I'd be lucky enough to have what only Capitalism can do and that is set us free to invest
in the American economy and foreign markets. It can enable true finacial independance for those who understand it and the only time we suffer is when
people with your thinking, pollute it with the ideas you have posted as the be all end all of all that ails our world. Nothing could be more
ridiculous and stupid.
Socialism is nothing new and it certainly has never brought a society to the heights capitalism has brought the United States to where we lead the
world in labor output, Science and technology, reusable and new energy alternatives and still have enough to lead the world in development assistance
of other third world country s. The top 25 innovations of the last quarter century, 22 are American.
If you knew anything about economics and the way finance, capitalism works, you would realize the dollar isn't weak because of our econmy tanking but
it is strong enough to withstand the weight of another country currency it has to support, that being the Iraqi Dinar currency.
If you don't think you can do it in a capitalist society, then don't NOT do it, in a socialist one because either way, you are nothing but a
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