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Topic started on 26-7-2008 @ 05:40 PM by Death_Kron

Please could someone explain to me that certain members of this site (i.e. 90%) will wholeheartedly believe in something of which they have absolutely no proof, evidence or facts to support that claim?

It really does annoy and upset me when member X will claim they talked to an alien last night and member Y will say "OMG thats amazing please tell me more"

Is the majority of people on this site so naive that they will believe anything? Well it sure looks that way to me!

Just because someone says its happened doesn't mean it had, just because someone believed its happened doesn't mean it did!

Please, can people not use a certain degree of logic and common sense.

I'm sorry but theres people on this board who would listen to me telling them I spoke to God last night, and they would believe me!!!!

How can people be so gullible ? It's actually fair scary to believe that alot of people believe what ever they are told!!!

Does no one else feel like this?

Why is it that people will blindly believe the perceptions of most usually a deluded person when there are no facts to support their argument or intention?

reply posted on 26-7-2008 @ 05:49 PM by Alora

Harsh.

I know that there are times when a person asks for more information, it is because what little information the OP has given requires it. There are times when a story sounds intriguing and more details are needed. It isn't always about believing the story in its entirety right away. If someone posts, "I saw a UFO last night" and the next poster writes, "show us a picture." it isn't because the second poster believes, it is because she or he wants to see proof.

Certainly there are people here and everywhere that believe everything they are told, but I don't believe them to be the majority.

And from what I've seen it takes some people more than once post from the OP in order for them to make up their minds about whether they believe or not. That is healthier than determining if the story is true or false right away, in my opinion.

Answer me this, please: if you have never been to China (or pick a country) can you prove it exists? Oh sure, there are pictures and people who claim to have been there. Heck there are even people who claim to live there *gasp*. But all of that can be said for aliens and spaceships, too. So can you prove there is a China without stepping foot on its soil, without seeing it for your own eyes?

There is nothing wrong with believing and there is nothing wrong with being skeptical. I aim for right down the middle, but that is just me

reply posted on 26-7-2008 @ 06:06 PM by Death_Kron

reply to post by Alora

Your missing my point entirely my friend, why would the OP produce so little evidence? Surely they would want to provide as much as they can to validate their story?

You don't believe them to be the majority? Then no offense but you haven't been on this site long enough to appreciate the vast majority of bogus stories ?

And yes I do believe China is real, however I respect your point, however your argument is flawed, the majority of people who have been to China, the amount of pictures I have seen about China, the stories & legends I have read about China all amount to me believing that yes China truly does exist.

You cannot say to me that this amount of proof of substancial evidence exists about UFO's/Alien etc If it did then people would be taking it ALOT more seriously.

I think your talking about subjective experience which doesn't nescessarilly mean something is true because what is true is down to personal interpreation.

If I told you I was God now, please tell me how you would disprove it ??

reply posted on 26-7-2008 @ 06:23 PM by Alora

You want me to disprove something? I thought your whole point was to rip into the believers?

And here is the thing- I believe that ET's exist and I believe they have visited this planet. Now I meet others who believe the same thing, for whatever reason. Now someone comes along and claims that he or she was abducted last night. My first question wouldn't be "Did you get pictures?" and my next questions wouldn't be "Did you bring back any souvenirs? DNA? Pieces of metal? A signed statement of abduction?" I would more than likely ask for more information, because chances are, during the course of the abduction, the person being taken didn't have time to pose for pictures or ask for a piece of spaceship material to bring back as evidence. Understand?

And my reasons for believing in spaceships and ET's are vast and range of 20 years. I won't bother you with the details.

Last week a black bear came into my yard, stayed awhile, and left. This happened three times during the course of two hours. He was a cool and laid back sort of bear who looked me in the eyes more than once but never seemed to care that I was there. When telling this story to others, I get excited and leave out a few things. Not because I'm lying, but because it was a big deal to me and as I said, I get excited when telling the story. So people ask me questions, looking for more details. It is natural for both storyteller and listener, this give and take.

I actually have pictures (proof?) of the bear...but that's clearly not the point

I just don't think there is anything wrong with listening to someone talk about their experiences, even if they don't have solid proof. And be honest, even if an abductee did have the pieces of space metal, the signed and sworn statement of abduction, clear and concise pictures, and 40,000 witnesses some people would still call it a hoax.

reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 09:04 AM by Death_Kron

reply to post by Alora

Still your missing my point! The intention from my original post isn't to not listen to someone talking about their experiences. I want to know why soo many people on here will seemingly believe anything! Trust me, read a couple of more posts and you'll soon understand what I am saying.

When I said if I told you I was God now how would you disprove it? I ment to highlight the fact that why would you believe such an outrageous claim with no proof what so ever?!?! It's absolutely beyond me.

Yes there will always be doubters, yes there will always be people who do not believe, this isn't what I'm getting at.

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 09:08 AM by Alora

*sigh* Well, I tried. You asked and I answered. I got your point just fine, but you don't seem to wantto understand. Personally I think you are the gullible one since you think "90%" of the members of this site will believe anything.

Please could someone explain to me that certain members of this site (i.e. 90%) will wholeheartedly believe in something of which they have absolutely no proof, evidence or facts to support that claim?

But hey, as I said, I tried to answer your questions and I tried to give you a little insight into how some of us believers think.

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 04:15 PM by Death_Kron

reply to post by Alora

Do not take my statement so literally, I was using it to highlight that in my oppinion the majority of people on this site are gullible. And you still have not answered my question, how can you believe in something of which you have no proof what so ever that it exists?

I understand people have their own personal beliefs and reasons to consider certain things as true, but from a logical perspective they are in fact incorrect. Just because you believe in something doens't make it exist I'm afraid my friend.

And still you are ducking my question!!! I didn't ask for an insight into how some of you believers think, I asked why you would believe something that had simply only come out of someones mouth!

Example:

OP - "I saw an alien last night in my kitchen disguised as my Mum but it wasn't my mum because I know she was in bed"

XYZ - "OMG that is crazy man, what type of alien was it? Was its ship in the garden"

Now, if the above example does not explain or convey the message I am trying to get accross then I'm sorry but I do not think you will ever understand what I'm trying to say and sadly if that is the case then I can see you believing some very very silly things.

reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 05:31 PM by Alora

OK, I'll keep trying.

Don't assume that those who ask questions believe. They may be asking so that they can decide whether to believe or not. And I, a believer, don't believe everything people post on here, and I doubt there are many people who do.

I understand people have their own personal beliefs and reasons to consider certain things as true, but from a logical perspective they are in fact incorrect. Just because you believe in something doesnt make it exist I'm afraid my friend.

We can go around and around about this forever. Just because you disbelieve something doesn't make it false. You can sing "I'm right and your wrong...because I said so!" all you like. It doesn't make you right.

And still you are ducking my question!!! I didn't ask for an insight into how some of you believers think, I asked why you would believe something that had simply only come out of someones mouth!

I don't. Nor have I come across a lot of people who do. Oh sure, there are a few. I won't argue that.

You say that if I don't get your point then I must believe a lot of silly things. So what do you believe in? You are here on a conspiracy board, but why? To laugh at us? Tell us how wrong we all are? Try and prove how right you may be?

Answer me this, since I have indulged you for a while now while everyone else has ignored your rantings:

-why are you here on this board
-what do you believe in

And, if you'll be so kind, please answer these questions without insults and condescending statements. We can have a civil discussion without trying to insult each other, yes?

reply posted on 2-8-2008 @ 10:02 AM by Death_Kron

reply to post by Alora

Firstly, I completely agree with you that just because someone is asking a question about something does not mean they believe in it, and yes the main reason they are asking the question is probably because they are deciding whether to believe it or not.

I'll also agree that just because I disbelieve something doesn't make it false just as if you do believe in something doesn't make it true.

I have not said that you personally believe in someones ridiculous post regarding the "zebra man" they met last night or whatever.

I also never said that if you didn't get my point you MUST believe in a lot of silly things, I said I could sadly SEE you believing in some silly things.

In answer to your questions, I believe in many different things for example I do believe that aliens exist somewhere in our universe - not because I have seen them (which I have not ) but because of the statistical probability coupled with my logical insight that tells me it would be extremely foolish to assume that we are the only species in the universe.

I'm on this site because I'm interested in Survival & Conspiracies not because I want to laugh at people or try and prove people wrong.

While you mention " everyone else has ignored your rantings " couldn't that be a reflection that what I'm saying is actually correct ? And the majority of people who have viewed this thread wanted it to be another "OMG My mums an alien!!!" thread ??

Also, could you please tell me when I have insulted you? Because if I have its been done unintentionally and I'm in no way trying to slate you. I something I said has upset you then I apologise

Your entitled to your own oppinion as I'm entitled to mine.

Just to clear something up, I'm not knocking people who ask intelligent questions. Not at all. Im knocking the people who question or even reply to stupid, stupid threads such as the examples I have mentioned.

Anyone with intelligence & common sense will not even bother replying to a thread that says "Japanese Alien In My Wardrobe"

reply posted on 2-8-2008 @ 12:13 PM by Alora

Thank you for the apology, and I apologize also if I ever offended.

I get rather passionate during discussions so if I ever crossed the line I am sorry.

I think I have reached the end of this discussion with you. I fear we are just going in circles. From my perspective it is no body's fault for this. But I do wish to figuratively shake your hand to show my respects. Good game, eh?

lol

reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 05:23 AM by Death_Kron

reply to post by Alora

Yeah mate, nice one! I enjoy a good debate myself, and yeah your probably right, I think we are going around in circles. But it was good to get the creative juices flowing and have an intelligent argument

reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 05:29 AM by altered_states

reply to post by Death_Kron

well for me I Believe until proved a hoax or a fake.

reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 05:43 AM by SugarCube

I just had to comment on the OP.

I agree entirely that there are a lot of posts in here that really do stretch the imagination - HOWEVER - I believe in the theory that among the many many tons of chaff there might be a couple of grains of wheat.

I used to get riled up about some threads that claimed intimate (not sexual!) knowledge of aliens, one in particular went on for hundreds of pages and all the posters seemed to be like neophytes and hung on his every word. I dared to post questioning his "truthfulness" and I was lambasted.

Basically, you have to let everybody get on with what they want and just console yourself that you can tell sh*t from Shinola - just like everybody else believes they can.

If you think too much about it, you'll bust a blood vessel. My advice is to steer clear of a post as soon as your face starts to flush with anger.

:-)

reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 07:44 AM by Death_Kron

reply to post by altered_states

Well thats fair enough if thats how you personally look at it, I probably do the exact opposite if it sounds far fetched and disbelieve until its proven true. In most case though I tend to use a healthy dose of intelligence and common sense to judge whether to believe or not. As I have said, I haven't seen proof that aliens exist, I have seen some very strange things however. But, I do believe they exist due to reasons I have already stated above.

reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 07:46 AM by Death_Kron

reply to post by SugarCube

Thank you SugarCube! You've hit the nail on the head and understand where I'm coming from. However, I do also agree with you that maybe there are some littles gems off truth hiding in the shadows.

Good advice, I shouldn't let it wind me up!!!

reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 07:51 AM by Astyanax

reply to post by altered_states

So, for you a person is guilty until proven innocent?

That's the exact equivalent of what you're saying. Think about it.

reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 09:52 AM by Death_Kron

reply to post by Astyanax

I agree and personally that does not make any sense to me...

However, each to their own I suppose, I think a person is innocent until proven guilty, which to me makes more logical sense.

reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 10:38 AM by SugarCube

The key here is the "onus of proof".

If person A accuses person B of something then the onus of proof is on A to show that the accusation is valid and true, hence B is "innocent until proven guilty" where 2 or more people are directly concerned.

However, the same rule applied to an inanimate subject matter appears to turn the whole thing around, but in reality, it doesn't.

If person A states that a subject B is "fact" then the onus of proof is on A to show that the statement is valid and true, hence B must be considered as suspect until proven true.

Read it again and you'll see that it is correct. If we believe all statements by A or correct then that is when we end up with the "guilty until proven innocent" scenario.

Basically, if people want to make a claim concerning UFOs, astral projection or whatever, the onus of proof is on them to show that it is correct, not for other people to just accept it.

reply posted on 4-8-2008 @ 03:20 AM by Death_Kron

reply to post by SugarCube

Agree with you 110%!

As you said, the onus of proof is down to the individual to show others that what they are saying is correct, not for people to just believe or accept it.

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