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Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by re22666
Fact of the matter is that the believers never answer our questions. You just keep spewing the same answers over and over again. What we are asking for is undeniable proof not stories and pictures of ufos because lets face facts they don't prove aliens just unidentifiable craft.
Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by re22666
Whoa...someones time of the month is upon them...lol. Easy there small brains the almighty, yes there are things we don't know about....just let's not all jump the gun by stating aliens exist as fact.
[edit on 27-7-2008 by riggs2099]
I did not miss your point. Your post offers nothing but what ifs. The point of the thread is why are people skeptical toward Extra-terrestrials and Extra-dimensional beings. By you lamenting about the past and the possibility that because there are things that we do not know, that maybe things exist outside our current knowledge, that this should sway skeptics, is quite frankly stupid. As how could you expect a skeptic of this topic to accept something unknown and unobservable as possible proof of the existence of something thats very existence is being questioned. Given that Skeptics are labled as such due to them questioning and requiring concrete evidence on which they base their beliefs in relation to this topic, you are asking them not to be skeptical because of something you cannot show them, or by simply posing a question of what we may not know. Skeptics of this topic, by nature base what they believe on what they do know. Offer all the paradigms and paradoxes you want. It won't change this.
Originally posted by re22666
ok thanks for again missing my point and ignoring what i actually said about paradigms. i see you arent open to an actual discussion if it does not support you.
Your juvenile snivellings are awesome. BTW, your posts are almost as pathetic as your vulger U2U you have sent me. Please, if you can't reply to the content of my previous posts, don't reply or U2U me again. Please.
ok nevermind. i thought i was replying to someone smarter, not another, "um post again what you rere asking so it is clear..." i dont know why i keep thinking i will find an actual discussion here. you people are so good at replying without responding to what is actually said.
Hint, i replied to you post earlier. Read the thread, my reply is 16 posts down, and please, by all means reply to my post in relation to the topic instead insulting people and dribbling on and crying about not being answered, when infact you have. Why do i feel like a babysitter. Please, grow up.
hint- its at the top where i mentioned evidence and what is known... anyway it was about the OP and your responses to it. if you cant respond to it, that is ok. somene smart enough will.
Originally posted by riggs2099
What we are asking for is undeniable proof
Originally posted by re22666
Originally posted by AntisepticSkeptic
Surely only a paranoid delusiuonal freak would believe with no doubt whatsoever in the existence of E.Ts with this kind of steaming pile "my dog ate my evidence" B.S. happening EVERY SINGLE TIME in the last 50 years.
[edit on 27-7-2008 by AntisepticSkeptic]
wow 50 years?????
that seals it.
thank god people didnt "KNOW" that the earth was flat for as long as 50 whole years. whew. that was close.
Originally posted by kinda kurious
Originally posted by riggs2099
What we are asking for is undeniable proof
Which brings to mind my favorite quote by William Cowper.
"Absence of Proof is not Proof of Absence."
If people choose to believe in fantastic things........let them. (us)
And while you are at it, prove to me there is no Santa Claus.
regards........kk
[edit on 27-7-2008 by kinda kurious]
Oh and William Cooper was a kook. He's been debunked by Stanton Friedman.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
At least this guy made his homework. Obviously you haven't done yours.
"Evidence now coming forward indicates that the deputies report concerning Coopers death may have been falsified to coverup the cold blooded assassination of Bill Cooper by these Apache County Deputies."
William Cooper -
An unsolved mystery still lies behind the real events that took place during a shoot out battle between Bill Cooper and White Mountains Apache County Sheriff's Depart.
The autopsy report and deputies report does not jive and recently a 20 year homicide detective veteran , Craig Pradarelli, has been reviewing this case.
Following is his determination based off the autopsy report which he sent me.
Mary Sutherland
An hour long interview with Craig is available on
www.willimacooper.com... This covers the autopsy analysis in detail. I spent the entire hour with the host discussing the results of the autopsy.
The death is due, no one disputes this, to gun shot wound. There are a number of wound which could have killed him. But most definately the GSW which took out both ventricles of the heart. At that point there was nothing anyone could have done for him. The GSW to the head was arguably survivable, but doubtful.
Todays Show brought to light the unsolved mystery behind the death of William Cooper.
Bill Cooper died in a 'reported' gun battle with the Apache County Sheriffs Department in the White Mountains of Arizona.
Evidence now coming forward indicates that the deputies report concerning Coopers death may have been falsified to coverup the cold blooded assassination of Bill Cooper by these Apache County Deputies.
Craig M. Pradarelli, former 20 years plus veteran licensed private detective. determined, after reviewing the autopsy report, that Cooper was shot in the head at a distance of no more than 3 feet. He drew this conclusion based on the stippling .
The bullet entered through the area of the ear and then proceeded to travel "downwards", indicating the shooter may have been standing 'over' Cooper
Cooper was 6 ft. 2 inches and may have been in a kneeling position when he received this shot.
Craig found it interesting that the shot to the head was done before a shot to the heart as there was a geat deal of subarachnoid hematoma. He determined that the heart had to have been pumping for sometime for this to have occured.
One of the other shots took out both the left and right ventricles of the heart. Many seconds, after the head shot.
Craig's credentials are as follows :
Defense Investigator since 1980.
Founding Member of the Professional Association of Wisconsin Licensed Investigator
2 terms Board of Directors, 1 term Secretary
Vice President of Operations Great Lakes Loss Prevention, (Security & Investigative Firm)
Worked over 500 homicide cases.
Psychology Instructor, Western Wisconsin Technical College, Tomah, WIEducation:
4th semester student inch Medical Doctorate Program, MUA, Nevis
Studied Neuropsychological Assessment, University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Studied Clinical Psychology, Cardinal Stritich University, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Studied Criminal Justice, Northern Arizona University
BA, Psychology Lakeland College, Sheboygan, Wisconsin
( Minor Criminal Justice, Biology, Chemistry, Theology)
Numerous training certificates.