Originally posted by crimvelvet
There is definitely a movement to remove our 4th Amendment rights. Kentucky tried to pass a law that will allow "Public Health Servants" access to homes where dogs and cats are kept to "check for disease" all without a warrant.
What is with some of you? This has got nothing to do with stripping away your 4th amendment right and before it ever comes to that the laws being made have to found constitutional in the first place. If a law is found un-constitutional and often times this is the case they are brought to the Supreme Court which interprets the laws constitutionality.
The Government works that way for a reason and yes it is NOT always out to get John Q Public. Even Bush found this out when the Supreme Court didn't agree with the many unconstitutional things he was doing. The Government wouldn't bother to suggest these new laws if they were just going to be out "to get you”.
Their happen to be very good reasons for those in your post from bird flu to mad cow disease. Then their are people called "hoarders" which many have been reported to have 40 or more cats in the house and when they don't answer the door or are not home these are just a few situations that need special but immediate attention without having the added costs for being sued afterwards. This is NOT a sneaky encroachment attempt on the federal government to remove your 4th amendment right for god sake read the thing and think about it.
My god if someone were to believe even half the junk posted on ATS, that in and of itself would be the conspiracy. The conspiracy to get everyone scared to death of the imminent doom their is to our country from the baloney that the economy is in the tank because of BUSH when it is the direct result of usury laws repealed back when Reagan was president and sub prime lending that Greenspan has already admitted being his fault in his book. The price of Gas because of Bush and the Iraq war when the price of Gas would have been this high regardless because of demand due to China and India. The dollar falling? Again Blame Bush when what Bush knows about that kind of thing you can put on a postage stamp as stupid as he is. Oh but then it's because he is "faking his stupidity" I mean I have heard it all and the guy can't win for losing when it comes to some of you people hell bent on making the dufus the fault for every little thing, every little bump in the night believed and or imagined.
If you people want to REALLY turn this country around and do it within 5 years then ACT today and do something that will get us out of debt, make our economy the powerhouse it should be. No Nation can lead this world without first leading by the examples it sets for its own people and to be strong militarily isn't enough we absolutely MUST have a strong economy with a President that actually sees our Constitution as the source of our strength and not some kind of impediment full of formalities keeping him from his or her destiny as Dictator.
If all of us wrote our congress and with one years investment of the Iraq war use that money to start retooling every single gas station for vehicles run by compressed air and natural gas asking for tax incentives for those who wish to convert their own cars to that kind of fuel and for this country to start USING its vast natural gas reserves.
The compressed air engine WORKS and I have seen it and we should be offering them here. Honda has already been selling Natural Gas powered autos and they are not only as good as their gasoline powered counter parts but they are superior because Natural Gas is a better leaner cleaner fuel by far and only .60 a gasoline gallon equivalent.
We should tell them to get off the ethanol fairy tale and start using REAL PRACTICLE methods of getting off the ME addiction to oil and I mean ALL OF IT. We should insist keep our country solvent as they seem to have forgotten that is also a law and one they are guilty of breaking and all of them are guilty. Mandate our intention for having them face a consequence for not meeting some predetermined benchmarks and guide posts along the five year plan, that ANY of them with Big Oil constituents or taking money from same, may as well kiss all the voters on this measure goodbye no matter WHO they are or how long they have been in office. A letter like this with 300,000 signatures scares the hell out of them and if you don’t think so than I know for a fact you are out of touch with the way politicians think much less politics in general. I have seen them personally and believe me THEY get worked up over this kind of thing and THAT should tell you whether your vote counts or not, THEY still think IT DOES!
This country is not in as sad a shape as you all think and its BIGGEST problem is Voter apathy and procrastination! Some of you bash America merely because you think it’s “in style” to do that kind of thing and lets face it, it’s a lot easier to bitch then to build it up again isn’t it. Get off your asses and VOTE! Vote for those who support these measures. Everyone in public office voting record is public record; USE THAT to determine who they really are and what or whose pocket they are in.
Speeches and debates are NOT going to give you any insight into what they are about more then their voting record and don't let the "other guy" tell you what they voted for or what they flip flopped on, LOOK IT UP YOURSELF and perhaps you'll catch one of them lying in the process.
America’s best days are whatever WE decide they are and all this garbage talk about a family named Rothchild running everything is just BULL! If that is the case than we may as well just shoot our damn selves or tell them your next vote will be for the guy who has the guts to order the CIA to take them out and I am sure collectively, we can out bid them if money is what you think buys this kind of loyalty to these “secret societies”
NOT everyone in Government is corrupt! Not every Cop is a Nazi storm trooper with a tazer fetish! I know more cops then probably all of you combined and MOST are decent people who would rather quit the force than see America giving away YOUR precious 4th amendment! (any Cops on this board, now would be a good time to side in with me hehe.)
They are Americans JUST like you, with families and bills to pay just like you and I and they Vote believe it or not on the side of freedom and not tyranny. Most of you who have been spewing all this gloom and doom crap for so long NOW have a vested interest in it and can't stop! Your incessant Anti Government Anti American propaganda has gone on for so long, your self imagined self exalted reputations are at stake but ya know what? No one is going to tell you I told ya so because frankly, you ain’t worth remembering but that is what YOU LIVE FOR! The day you can tell all of us YOU were RIGHT! I just want to know what thanks you think we would have for you?
We can have the America YOU envision or we can have the America WE DESERVE and believe it or NOT it is up to US. You, Me, US and WE!
This election isn't going to matter much but imagine if we start taking these steps and before you say anything about voter fraud and other pessimistic useless expressions of emotion posted without the benefit of intellect, ask yourself when was the last time YOU took any REAL effort and actually sent a snail mail to your states representative. Most of you probably don’t even know their names.
Americans are like the dog lying on the porch moaning because he is lying across a nail sticking out of the wood. The dog keeps moaning and whining but he won’t get up because it just doesn’t hurt badly enough yet. You want to know who is to Blame for the messes were in. If you say Bush then I say look in the mirror and if you don’t like the reflection you see, you would blame the freakin mirror because that is all you’re good at, blame: If you don’t love this country enough to change it then you don’t love it enough to be able to bitch about it. If you don’t love this Country the way it is then for God sake man, love the country your Vote and Your involvement can change it into.
It isn’t too late and it is worth a try. If not for you then for our kids. Just quit bitching about it and DO something about it. Maybe this is the kind of attack on America mushroom is talking about I don’t know I take personal much of his rhetoric but I know change CAN happen but change for changes sake is not change at all it’s just aiming at goals like shooting an arrow at the side of a barn walking up and painting a target around it. The options for our economic future getting off our dependence on oil are REAL and well within our immediate grasp and it will satisfy both those gone green and those who think going green is a crock because it covers both concerns.
We know who has an interest in seeing Natural gas and Compressed Air never seeing the light of day but Corporations are accountable to Corporation committees, share holders and stock holders. When you think about the damage we can do to corporations just by bad press alone, all you have to do is think about futures markets and what happened the day AFTER Bush repealed the no drilling rights on Government land. The mere mention of it sent the price of oil down the next day even while such measures are years in the future exposing speculators to the influence they have on it.
Yes get a politician to say the right thing and changes happen NOW so change can happen and it can happen FAST
So what do you all think? Can we do it? Can we start posting solutions rather then bitching about the problems? Or don’t I belong here anymore because Ill tell ya
ATS is getting to be very depressing and I sure as hell would rather stop coming here than become like some of you are. That isn’t suggesting I would be putting my head in the sand leaving,, it is saying I am taking it OUT of my ASS by NOT listening to this crap another day when I can be Writing Congress instead of writing posts. I can be reading solutions rather than reading posted problems most of which are beyond belief.
[edit on 25-8-2008 by XIDIXIDIX]
