I realize what Semperfortis and Alightinthedarkness are saying, however I still disagree.

This is about the possible applications of this law.

With the Executive branch already saying that the president can order the military into an area without a warrant,and cease and detain Citizens, under the auspices of fighting terrorism, these types of laws on a local level scare me.

The fact is, I should be able to gather in my nome with a total of 5 people, (and as I pointed out in this college town, 5 is a normal number per household) without fear of random police check ups. What if I didn't bring my I.D. across the street to my neighbors? The owner is cited and fined. But again, it's not about the drinking, it's about the APPLICATION of this law.

There are many things that we all take for granted as being legal now, which might be illegal in the near future, and could be found during these "random" I.D. checks that WILL occur under this new law.

Sounds like NAZI Germany to me.



[edit on 25-7-2008 by jasonjnelson]

My response is, dont answer the door. Without a search warrant, the police cannot come in, period. All this law means is, learn and exercise your rights. I have EVERY right, in my own abode, to NOT answer the door, and unless the police come with a warrant, they have to go get one to enter if you dont answer, and by that time, any thing untoward can be removed or disposed of.

It sounds like the police in this town just want to harass teens, much like most police I have had the displeasure of encountering.

I'm sorry OP but your sounding paranoid. You don't have to show your ID, although if you commit a crime in front of them you will be hauled off to jail even if you don't want to show your ID. The constitution does not protect you from being able to escape liability for crimes.

I had to live next to some college kids who would not turn down the music. I don't care what time it is. You don't have a right to blast the music so loud that I can't sleep or concentrate. At that point your rights have violated my rights, and I will use the legal means available to me to stop you.

The police have always had the ability to ask to see your ID, and you can decide to show it or not. If your loud music is so loud its bothering someone, the police could care less who you are. If they have a reasonable suspicion that you are liable for something, they can haul you to jail.

Your sensationalizing this.

[edit on 25-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

i think they are over reacting... police being allowed to come in and arrest us on suspicion of "partying" is nothing to worry about. this doesnt mean police are allowed to come in and give us seizures like you mentioned...

even if police do abuse this right, all we need is a couple of good cases, and we take them to court and they lose their job.

Well, a about 4 years back I was at a good rockin houseparty, well over 50+ people, some were underage about 5 or 6 people at the time, after about 3 noise complaints the police returned to the house... had atleast 3 cruisers and paddy wagon outside, my buddy who owned the house at the time answered the door, the cops asked to turn down the music and if they can come in, he simply said we'll turn down the music but theres nothing to see here officer just a birthday party, and they all left... simple as that, they only get they're hopes up. There was even someone there with a warrent out for they're arrest and they didn't even have a chance, simply because they never got in to see who was attending the shindig... bah they try to hard, should be out patrollin the hood instead of busting contained parties, atleast nobodys out scrapping on the streets jeeze...

screwed up rich teens trying to act like movie stars, while their parents are out acting like movie stars.
There are enough illegitimate children in the world today, finding ways to stop these stupid teens shouldnt be a problem. When it starst effecting legal age adults then its a problem. imo

I had an encounter with the police a couple months ago because a neighbor called the cops on me saying I was throwing an "underage drinking party" at my apartment.

I was home alone for 4 hours just chilling to some music on my laptop. I had about 5 officers huddled around my door, telling me it was a noise complaint, asking for my ID, wanting to come inside to look around (fat chance!), and ended up running my license.

Despite the various videos and text files I read about police encounters, I was ill prepared to have half of my towns police force knocking on my door. Later I find out that it wasn't even my next door neighbors, but just some random person in the complex who likes to call CPS and cops on people.

If this sort of law was passed here, my frustration would have been increased ten fold. But this is exactly what they want, neighbor's calling the cops on each other to give them an excuse to search.

My music was not loud at all, my next door neighbor of the apartment "didn't hear a thing".

In New York, it is required of you to show your ID, so I had to comply.

I'm 21, but I look much younger. I also don't carry my ID on me unless I need it (tobacco, driving, etc), so this would obviously cause me some problems if a law like this was ever passed here.

I live in new york, not the city, but an out of the way small town, for clarity.



[edit on 26-7-2008 by DisobedientCitizen]