China Release New Fighter. The J-10.

Originally posted by GreatWall
hi Guys:
I am a Chinese. I read all the posts here. I can see that many US guys want a war with China, and you are very confident that you will win.
Actually, I do not like war, but I am not afraid of war. Any way, if there was a war between China and US, are you sure you will win and What results you got means you win?
OK, just thought it right that US army can destroy all the nuclear missles at the same time (actually, it is impossible). If at last, we just give some nuclear bombs (the smallest one, not very heavy and one man can put it in his hand bag) to your enemy (just like Bin Laden). what and how could you deal with ?
Science made the killing easier, if you want to kill somebody else every day, I am sure you will be killed by the same way by other.

Originally posted by elitelongbow

some misconceptions

hi all
I am a chinese graduate student who is currently studying in uk
I am a military fan
I saw many misconceptions in your arguments about J-10
Of course, everyone knows that J-10 is only a 3-generation plane that can never compete with f22
but its appearance means that china for the first time in history has caught up with the world fighter making level
remember that 20 years ago we could not build even mig15
j-10 has many tech from various backgrounds
one important aspect is, country as advanced as japan can not build a single fighter without the engines from usa, but we can, since we are always independent of usa help.
considering the extremely expensive price(the GNP of china is only 1/8 of that of usa), we won't build it a large number
but ever since then, we can set out to research for a type of plane that is as good as f22
i think this painful process will take no less than 15 years
although 15 years later, we shall still be less advanced than usa
but we are catching up a bit more
what the world will look like if china can build a plane as good as that of usa's?
maybe after 40 years, the GNP of china will be comparable to usa's
and by that year, we shall mass produce our plane which is as good as usa's
this is where chinese military fans' hope lies

Originally posted by CHinawiLL


Hi,007.I'm from Mainland of China I have to correct your certain things which have appeared in your posts:

1. There is NO such a law in mainland of China to avoid an entire family going abroad even if we know they
would never come back again in advance. I'm very sure.
We Don't have such laws ,both in mentally and in physically. My dear friend i wonder who ever told you that that
really scared me. If you ever got this idea from the Chinese students living in the states,in the meanwhile you are
sure they're the original messages from them we'd come to a conclusion that either
they are mad,or am i.

It rarely happens that an entire Chinese family move to USA (for example) and settle down but it did happen,
sometimes you see only the kids are studying/working in the USA and their parents/brothers/sisters are still living
in China,this doesn't mean Chinese government is getting involved

It'd rather be the reasons ...i.e,the Chinese students will come back to China after their graduation,for
them living in the states is odd at all,and some other reaons that you don't see all of Chinese family
have moved to USA all together.

About Chineses Tanks, first of all,if we really get in a war on the ground the opposite is USA,we wouldn't use
T-80 or it's variates to fight with US. M1A1/A2 since we already have A Beast which was born in China.

The New Chinese Type 98 - Configuration of the turret roof, from left, includes
the commander's independent sight,the Laser Warning Receiver,Wind Sensor,
and the Laser Self-Defense weapon.It's inducted several years ago.

Originally posted by barba007


What about getting these tanks to Taiwan? Is it possible with China's technology now?

Originally posted by barba007

Consider 1 thing.
This has been playing on my mind for a long time.
How many Chinese people live in the US?
In Australia there are approx. 1.5 million in a population of 20 million.
Just say these Chinese were forced to commit acts of Terrorism in these adopted countries? Don't get me wrong I have many Chinese friends and is not a racial slur.
But many Chinese have Families in China. Just say Chinese officials in China hold these families until a crime was committed then released.
Many of my Chinese friends say that China allows families to travel overseas, though at least one member of the family must stay in China! Why is that?
Just something to think about.

Originally posted by CHinawiLL
Taiwan isn't superior to China in missile field,not at all.Whatever those AAM or AGM or SA missiles,but it doesn't hurt if you say it in a negative way.

There are many sources to check for this topic,such like

www.globalsecurity.org...

Besides, if Taiwan is expecting to be capable of fighting
PLAAF in the air depending on a few of F-16A/MBLU
and Phantom-2000-5 and Taiwan made
IDF -Indigenous Defence Fighter,i wouldn't believe it.
Because ...

1. Su27 series > F-16A/MBLU && Phantom-2000-5 && IDF

2. J-10 series > F-16A/MBLU && Phantom-2000-5 && IDF

3. J-11 > F-16A/MBLU && Phantom-2000-5 && IDF (note:1)

4. Su30MKK > F-16A/MBLU && Phantom-2000-5 && IDF

... ...
#note1. J-11,the Chinese licensed production variant
from Sukhoi Su-27SK/UBK .

If PLA is getting in a war with Taiwan eventually,Taiwan
by the time will be hungered to hand their a$$ in
a can for a mass migration to find another small island

No offence,but we have been warning Taiwan she'd
better NOT claim to be an independent country,alternatively the Dunkirk spirit is encouraged
Like they have just done that 50 years ago successfully they will learn to copy with it later on.






[Edited on 26-5-2003 by CHinawiLL]

Originally posted by barba007
Listen guys, the point is not that the F-22 is beter than the J-10. We all know it is. The point is that if China start Mass Producing these J-10 like Bob88 said were in big s#@t!!!!!
I don't care how good of a pilot you are. If you have
10-1 ratio, your in trouble! any which way you look at it!
Also, I realy think China is capable of producing these Aircraft on a large scale.
They have to replace their large fleet of J-7 and other variants(eg. J-6,J-8,J-9 etc).
They have approx. 500 J-7(Don't quote me).
F-22 Raptors cost US $99.7 Million each to make. In comparison the JSF will cost approx. US $30 Million.

Originally posted by barba007

I am intrigued to know why you feel that Taiwan is part of China when they clearly do not want to be. Why stop them from being independent?
I would suggest that if China strikes Taiwan, The U.N., not only the U.S. this time will get involved, then those landing craft wouldn't be much use.

AGAIN I EXPRESS TO YOU THAT I AM NOT AMERICAN, I AM AUSTRALIAN AND PROUD. DO NOT REFER TO ME AS "YOU US GUYS" BEACAUSE I AM NOT. THANK YOU.

Originally posted by CHinawiLL
To GreatWall:

That is true,the US. government has strict law from being flooded by the immigrants.
But there is a saying to get visa in the US. embassies around China with 70% luck
plus 30% capabilitis, mostly it depends on their mood

Originally posted by mad scientist

Most major Chinese military advances have been due to thievery of technology from western countries and not due to their own research.

Originally posted by CHinawiLL
Quote:
additional info:
One set of F-22 costs approx. 90 millions
One set of J-10 costs approx. 1x-2x millions
depending on which type of engine it equips,either the Russia made AL-31F turbofan or China made WS-10 turbofan.



Who tell you that J-10 is only 1x-2x millions? Tell you the truth, J-10 is much more expensive than this amount, if use AL-31F, it is even more expensive than Su 27 which we got from Rusian.
That is why we bought so many Su27

[Edited on 27-5-2003 by GreatWall]

Originally posted by GreatWall

Give me evidence that Chinese military advance have been due to thievery of technology from western countries.
By the way, I can give a lot of evidence that what american Spies did in all other countries all over the world.
Anyway, every country has his spies, every country try to steal important materials from other country. That is true and that is normal. But for american, when he can not steal from others, he will use another way-military action--"ROB"

Originally posted by mad scientist

Most major Chinese military advances have been due to thievery of technology from western countries and not due to their own research.