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Originally posted by roniii259
I wouldnt waste my time on this subject beccause China is bluffing. There would never be a war between the us and china becasuse both would be severily wounded enconomically. this would reverberate around the entire world and lead to another stone age. in strategy, the us and china take different approaches that are just as effective. dont continue argueing its just a waste of time
Originally posted by Lampyridae
It's not the Chinese culture that's got them worried, it's the old "Reds Under The Bed."
Originally posted by Stoo
I've just come across this thread, and quite frankly, I'm appalled by the sheer arrogance of many of the people here.
I'm far more worried about what America will do next than I ever would be about China.
Originally posted by urbanmastermind
Ok here is why I think the entire F22 vs J-10 debate is pointless:
THE ONLY PLACE THEY WILL EVER FIGHT IS IN JOINT MILITARY WARGAMES!!
The United States is NEVER going to go to war with China for three really glaring reasons:
You don't know much about the US-Taiwan relationship do you?
1: In case you didn't notice, the United States isn't exactly a manufacturing powerhouse anymore, we need China to build our goods. If we dropped our trade with them in preparation for a war we would see an economic panic that would make the Great Depression look like a correction. No one on the planet can match the Chinese production, not even close. Also even if we could buy from someone else the cost differences would be so massive that the economy would still tailspin out of control.
Not so - China is more dependent on the US economy then the US is on China. There are dozens of countries that could fill the production gap - there is only 1 country that commands 20% of the total world economy In fact, if there were a war with China, the US would simply put up a blockade and starve the Chinese into submission.
2: The Chinese fund the United States! We have a reccord national debit and the money to keep all our little wars and tax cuts to the rich has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is Chinese banks. So even if we had a leader so posessed as to go to war with China, no one would fund it! There is not another country on the planet that would like to see the massive losses that a war between two superpowers would cause. There is just nothing to gain from it.
You really don't have an idea of how the US economy works do you? Banks in China DO NOT pay for US taxes - TAX PAYERS DO! Debt is just that DEBT. It is money owed and is backed by the US economy.
3: The Chinese are allied with the European Union. We would have no allies in a war with China, except maybe Taiwan, and they have a military that could stand up to Chinese pounding for about an hour tops. The Europeans would fight us tooth and nail at the UN diplomatic table before we could even lift an M-16 against China, and then some might even join with China in any military campaign, especially if it's defensive.
Bull #! Ever hear of a little thing called NATO? No European country would back China over the US. They would actively protest the war at worst. Why would any country want to get in the way of the US? If they won't get involved in Iraq because they are scared, WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THEY FIGHT THE GREATEST MILITARY POWER THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN? As for your comment about China taking Taiwan in an hour - again, you do not know what you are talking about.
So if the United States wants to go to war with China, whatever it's your economic/political/military funeral. I'll be perfectly happy sitting in Toronto, watching the fireworks from across lake Ontario.
Just political buddy - and in case you haven't noticed, the US does not really care how we are thought of, because, well - we don't need to. We run this world. We call the shots. Doesn't make it right, but thats the way it is. The US can do what it wants, when it wants, and all we will get is some bitching from nations like yours.
The main point is that compairing the American fighters to Chinese fighters is like saying that my dad could beat up your dad. It's never going to happen and I think that the United States war culture is starting to rub off on its citizens. China, along with its buddy the European Union are two countries that the United States can't touch, however much Bush would want to. We need them, and likewise they need us. The big question though is how much longer will the world need the United States?
Originally posted by Nucleartomato
the point made about the chinese-american relationship is good. there is no doubt that there will be NO war between those two countries in near future. see this link for chinese trade with the usa www.chinatoday.com...
secondly, the demographic and ethinic development in the us of a has to be considered. such ignorant republican wont be elected in 50 years time for example. there will be more voters originating from nowadays ethnic minorities.
question: who has threatened whose way of living? the USA were the first to get into other peoples business...what the hel was the usa doing in vietnam? korea? somalia? afghanistan?...in iraq? both times. yes. there is a threat coming from those copuntries. ok. i agree. but why? do you seriously believe that those iraqies for example, are just a bunch of ignorant people who like killing? no. they have families as well. but the us need oil. money. power. that are the reasons why we have terrorist attacks nowadays. BEHIND EVERY ACTION THERE IS A REASON. those people believe in the koran. they believe in their holy land. yes. that holy land which the us, uk and israel took away from the palastinians in 1948/49. they have their way of living. polygamic families. 'oppressing' females, etc. thats the western perspective. there is different ways of living. other ones than the christian approach. we have to accept that. everybody has to. otherwise there is war. like it is now. ok. we have superior weapons. yes we have better intelligence. yes. we are better equipped. probably better trained. BUT: terrorists rely on small 'attacks', assaults, whatever. even if they manage to strike once a year 'only'. they win. because we will live in horror. being aware that some killer or whoever might be out there everyday, bombing trains in madrid, flying planes into the wtc. it is impossible to win a war on terror with the means bush s administration is currently approaching this problem.