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Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
God created Eden. It's his garden and he didn't destroy it. Show us where he states he destroyed it. You can't,
but listen to what God himself says in Isaiah 51:3
"The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like EDEN, her wastelands like the GARDEN OF THE LORD."
What it does not say is 'like Eden was' or like the Garden of the Lord used to be."
There is nothing to imply he is talking in past tense and everything to imply he was talking in present tense.
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
reply to post by jmdewey60
I agree with you. It is someplace we can't see. I still believe heaven and paradise are two seperate places, according to what the Lord taught.
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Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
To the thief on the cross. The Lord Jesus told the thief, 'today you will be with me in paradise.' My opinion is the garden exists and is paradise and the place Jesus went to prepare us a room is in his Father's house - which is attached to that garden.
God came and walked in his garden in the cool of the day. From his house to his garden.
Why would God destroy his own front yard? He wouldn't. He would put people off his property, but he's not going to destroy his dwelling place.
Revelation 2:7
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
Here is a verse I found today when I was looking for something else.
Revelation 2:7
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
It looks like it is talking about paradise in the present tense.
Maybe you who know Greek grammar can break this down.
I seriously do not think it is on earth.(now)
There seems to be a conflict in Revelations.
In one place, it talks about the river that flows from the Temple.
In another place it says there will be no Temple in the New Earth.
The way I have been taught is there is the Temple and then there is the New Jerusalem, two separate things.
The tree of life and the river are at the temple.
The city descends to earth and the temple stays in heaven.
Once the earth is cleansed, after the city is established on earth, the river and the tree in the garden are reestablished on earth and kind of spreads out.
Yeah that is because your mind is a bit simple. You want it nice. Reality is not always nice,
so we have new jerusalem. literal city or is it figurative? i say figurative because
-its dimensions are massive. basically the distance from the south of england to the southern part of spain cubed. meaning it would tower several hundred miles into outerspace.
-its made of refined gold and precious metals which are usually figurative in the bible. there are passages about god refining his servants like gold. if you consider those who corule with christ, they must be "refined" or suffer persecution while on earth.
-no day or night. red flag that its not literal.
-refered to as christ's bride. his corulers or saints are also refered to as his bride.
-term coming down to earth can be cross referenced with other scriptures to mean "turning attention to earth" not a literal descent.
Originally posted by PreTribGuy
This is not quite true. Nowhere, in the NT, is the Church ever specifically described as being the "Bride of Christ".
Was John the Baptist a part of the Church? If so, why did John the Baptist call himself a FRIEND of the Bridegroom?
As a man, in his early 40's, with a wife and 3 (almost 4) children, I find it exceedingly dreadful and almost "sick" to imagine myself "the Bride of Jesus Christ". In fact, I think it to be an "unlawful" question for a man to ponder upon. (Yes, I think there are questions that are unlawful to ask about.)