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38 when jesus raised lazarus from the dead, where did lazarus come from?
29 if Jesus' soul went to hell and didn't see corruption, where did his body go?
2 was Adam created mortal or immortal?
3 if Adam had not sinned, would he have died?
13 which part was it that sinned, soul or body?
29 if Jesus' soul went to hell and didn't see corruption, where did his body go?
When Jesus was raised, there was not a body left behind.
His original body was brought back to life.
Mary saw a man near the tomb and talked to him.
She assumed it was someone who would have been expected to be there.
As soon as he spoke to her, she recognized him as Jesus.
So, there was something about him that carried over from his previous personality that was recognizable as Jesus.
My religion teaches something called "conditional immortality".
To explain that, Adam was not created to die.
If he had not sinned, he would be alive today.
But, his being alive would not be based on some inherent quality of his being.
It would be just that there was not any reason for him to die.
The only thing that is, in essence, immortal is the spirit that comes from God and returns back to God, after we die.
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
1 was eden in heaven or on earth?
Neither. It's in paradise.
2 was adam created mortal or immortal?
Adam was created with the ability to experience either.
3 if adam had not sinned, would he have died?
He would not have died had he chose to eat from the tree of life.
4 if he had lived forever, would you call that immortality?
Living forever would imply immortality.
5 on account of sin he did die, doesnt that prove that he wasnt immortal? Adam was created with the ability to experience either.
6 is there any difference between eternal life and immortality?
Yes. Eternal life is proof of who Jesus is for the here and now. Immortality is for those who are allowed to eat from the tree of life.
7 can a person live eternally and yet not be immortal?
Yes.
8 if adam could not go to heaven without dying, and could not die without sinning, wouldnt that prove that sin and death are a blessing to the human race?
Had Eve and Adam chose the correct tree, they would not have died. It's never a blessing to be seperated from God.
9 did adam lose an earthly or a heavenly home?
He lost a home in paradise.
10 if jesus came to restore that which was lost by adam's fall, what will be restored?
The right to eat from the tree of life.
29 if jesus' soul went to hell and didnt see corruption, where did his body go?
This is from Paul, right? I don't dwell on his writings, for I found everything I need in Christ's own words.
31 if christ possessed a soul, why does the bible say he was resurrected a spirit?
The taboo books that were left out in the Bible suggest, the soul, the body and the spirit are three seperate things. An example would be Mary Magdelen's gospel, where she saw Jesus in a day vision and she asked him what part sees this vision, the soul or the spirit. Though the lesson is incomplete because of missing text (around 8 pages) he tells her that it's from neither place but from somewhre in between the two.
33 is not the soul the same as the body or person? (gen 2:7)
They are anchored together, with the breath of life. But a person must bring forth, that which is able to help them or they will die.
34 what then is the meaning of the resurrection?
It is for those who hear the voice of the lamb. They follow him where ever he goes. It is also for the multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth, the ones who died before he came.
35 if man possesses a soul, what then happened to all those who lived from the time of adam to the time of christ?
Some are in paradise. The thief on the cross. Moses & Elijah were both at the transfiguration, at least in Spirit form. Physical resurrection is reserved for the last day.
37 did they go to burn in hell, or does not the bible teach that they are dead in hell, that is the grave?
Salvation is of the Jews. Pre-Jesus gentiles are just dust in the earth. I don't even know, that they will awake the last day.
38 when jesus raised lazarus from the dead, where did lazarus come from?
Since he was Jewish, more than likely from Abraham's Bosom.
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
If paradise is here or was here take me to the flaming sword and cherubim, that guard it's entrance.
You can't. Why not?
Yes, I do know the differences between the two Lazarus' but why is there any reason to believe the concepts are different of where their spirits were in death? Just because Lazarus of the tomb didn't write a thesis on the afterlife doesn't mean it didn't exist.
from Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 55
"The pure and lovely garden of Eden, from which our first parents were driven, remained until God purposed to destroy the earth by a flood. God had planted that garden, and especially blessed it, and in his wonderful providence withdrew it from the earth, and will return it to the earth again, more gloriously adorned than before it was removed from the earth"
Ezekiel 47
The River From the Temple
1 The man brought me back to the entrance of the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. 2 He then brought me out through the north gate and led me around the outside to the outer gate facing east, and the water was flowing from the south side.
3 As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits [a] and then led me through water that was ankle-deep. 4 He measured off another thousand cubits and led me through water that was knee-deep. He measured off another thousand and led me through water that was up to the waist. 5 He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross. 6 He asked me, "Son of man, do you see this?"
Then he led me back to the bank of the river. 7 When I arrived there, I saw a great number of trees on each side of the river. 8 He said to me, "This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Sea. [c] When it empties into the Sea, [d] the water there becomes fresh. 9 Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. 10 Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds—like the fish of the Great Sea. [e] 11 But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they will be left for salt. 12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing."
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
When Moses and Elijah appeared at the transfiguration, where did they come from and where did they go when it was over?
After Jesus was tempted in the desert by Satan, angels came and ministered to him - where did they come from and where did they return to?
There is a very real afterlife. You can read thousands and thousands of Near Death Experiences on line and many people have seen a garden, a city, etc. You can't just dismiss all their testimonies.. Then again, Jesus himself had a problem with people accepting his own testimony, when he was telling the undisputable truth.
theres nothing in the bible that says that eden was spared.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
I do not think this is the most important thing to argue about, but there could be a beneficial lesson to be made, with it being saved.
We can at least think of it being symbolically saved, even if it materially was not.