“Focus on the family” groups

“Focus on the family” groups

You know them, religiously driven groups who tell you the government is evil and wants to teach your children things you don’t want them to learn from teachers, such as sex and evolution. Each family should be able to decide what is best for their children to be learning right?

Then the same groups pressure different forms of media into no longer playing commercial ads or into censoring shows those certain groups do not deem appropriate for their own family, therefore it is not appropriate for everyone’s family?

On one hand they want the government to stay out of their children’s education when it comes to certain classes, yet on the other hand they want to involve themselves in censoring things and deeming what is appropriate for others and others families.

These people are opportunistic hypocrites who should focus on their own families.

Do you think these people are really invested in protecting people from others trying to impose on their parental rights? Do you think they are misguided? I doubt either, I think they use religion as a means to have the kind of power they want, otherwise they’d use all that energy on something more constructive and that warrants more attention then creating a school system that deliberately makes our children ignorant.

Now if you are apart of or defend these groups please do not get upset with my view point, please counter it logically and show me why I am wrong about these groups. And please do not confuse my opinion of “Focus on the family” groups with my opinion of people who do not wish their children to be taught sex-ed or who do not wish for their children to be taught evolution. I’m focusing on the groups that as stated above say they want people to have control of their own family, yet try to decide what the best decisions are for that person’s family.


***EDIT: Let me apologize for poor grammar. The debate that sprung from this thread went on late in the night my time and I began to get tired and wrote some scarcely coherent sentences.


[edit on 25-7-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

I'm not sure you know much about focus on the family, maybe just got an e-mail or heard a radio show. They don't teach you gov. is evil they preach that YOU should raise your kids not the gov. Yes it does presure groups who wish to tell our children life info we as parents are not prepared or they most importantly are not prepared to recieve. You see it's a let me be the parent to my child not you mentality. If the schools want to teach evolution, then teach jesus. but they wont. and don't get me started on sex ed. that is a family conversation not one to be directed by an individual who has been taught to teach beliefs that may be different then yours. teach my kids, english, math and history. leave the rest to me! Sorry if your a lazy parent but education goes beyond the classroom. It's called parenting, and i chose to be one and thus accept the responsibilities.

You seem to have ran away so i'll take my assumptions as correct. In the future try not to belittle those of us who are trying to raise productive members of society.

my child not you mentality

I'll get more into the "them versus government" issue and what some groups teach about the government tomorrow, right now I don't have the time.

Yes many of these groups claim such a mentality but then can you tell me why so many: yet on the other hand they want to involve themselves in censoring things and deeming what is appropriate for others and others families.

Especially the actual group who calls themselves Focus on the Family does this kind of double talk.

I'm trying to get them and their supporters prospectives.

Now again as I said in my first post I'm not simply targeting this debate towards parents who want sex-ed and evolution to be strictly a family issue, it is geared towards hypocritical groups such as the one I stated and why they think they have the right to decide things and censor things for all families and deem what is appropriate for others to watch instead of focusing on their own family and following their own mentality?

Originally posted by anotherdad
You seem to have ran away so i'll take my assumptions as correct. In the future try not to belittle those of us who are trying to raise productive members of society.

Wow, you gave me less than two hours to reply to you and assumed I ran while I was posting a reply to you?

I am now going to assume you are arrogant. And how are those groups productive? They use religion as a farce to control content. Do you know anything about FOTF?

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It's not censoring it's saying that it is not the job of teachers to teach this it is the parents job. If one way is being taught at schools it's an opinion being taught to my children. Should i not be the one to teach opinion to mt children.
It's not doubletalk when they throw this back on the family. they are saying stand up and take personal responsabilty for this and don't let others tell your children how to live.

IMO yes censor opinion in the educational system and teach fact. If you tech opinion you have what we have now which is insane. A hypocrite says one thing and does another, there not doing the other their standing by there beliefs.

It's not censoring

Obviously,

A. You don't have any idea what group I'm talking about or you wouldn't keep getting confused.

B. I'm not talking about censorship in the schools, I'm talking about how the same group pressures and attempts to censor media claiming they are doing what is best for families with out allowing parents the individual freedom and responsability to decide that for their own children.

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you right on the runaway, my bad. sorry

How are they productive, they work to give me the right to raise my child in a safe loving home as i see fit.

They use religion as a belief. If you teach one then teach them all. the fact is over 80% of americans say there christians but you cant speak a word of it in schools.

and yes i do know about focus on the family. Great place to prescreen movies.

P.S. How do i quote you. never figured that one out.:

I know where your coming from and I agree wih you; I too find FOTF hypocritical.

Strong arm tactics are used by groups such as FOTF to undermine parents decisions and decision-making skills, which is essentially what FOTF does - and yes - I think it's all disguised in a neat little religious wrapper.

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A. i disagree i know the group and get the e-mails.
B. ? do we agree? i agree with you and to be honest have not seen them ask for media censorship. any links?

reply to post by Artista


How does FOTF undermine parents?

they work to give me the right to raise my child in a safe loving home as i see fit.

So you do not wish for parents to be able to decide what forms of media are appropriate for them or their children or the parents themselves to watch?

FOTF is a group that tries to push their social conservative public policy on everyone esle. If you won't do it willingly, they'll attempt to get you to do it by force. So you don't care if other parents have choices long as this groups censoring goes along with your own belief system?

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any links?


A telling story you should look up is how FOTF is pushing for Canada to not allow certain shows they deem inappropriate to film in Canada, something that might take some shows off the air because it is much cheaper for them to film in Canada.

www.theroc.org...
libertus.net...
www.topix.com...

[edit on 24-7-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

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When it comes to family decions yes families should choose there options. I love america but dont agree with all of our decisions.

A social conservative agenda gets them on TV because it gets ratings. Protesters try to use force to drive agendas. give me 1 example of FOTF using "force". they were offered an interview and excepted then expressed ther opinion. Had they not they would have been hypocrytes.

I want choices for all parents whether or not i agree. There belief should not be forced down my throught nor should be mine down theres. Thats America.

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"Each family should be able to decide what is best for their children to be learning right?"

In the response to the above, my answer is no. What kids learn today in public schools is based upon what the govt wants you to know and believe in. Kids are getting dumber and dumber and there is plenty of blame to go around. Some of the blame has to fall on the parents themselves. Stupid parents will have stupid kids and we need them to remain stupid so they can grow up to become nothing but a burden to society. Not everyone should be allowed to breed.

Originally posted by anotherdad
reply to post by Artista

 

How does FOTF undermine parents?

Simple: FOTF and groups like them undermine parents decisions by forcing television shows, etc., which FOTF determines to be unsuitable for viewing, from airing, and all without giving parents a fair shot in which to make their own decisions concernng what's suitable for their own family to watch.

I agree with your other points, which makes me think either you are ill informed about FOTF or just naive about them.

give me 1 example of FOTF using "force".

You don't think that FOTF making petitions, gathering protestors, and threatening boycotts from church goers (speaking arrogantly for all church goers) on TV shows and the country Canada itself in order to have content they deem inappropriate taken off the air is censorship or force? These stations are not doing what FOTF wishes, they are made to do it because FOTF puts these actions into motion when they refuse. What do you call that if not force? Did you look at my links?

Some other things people should know about FOTF if they are interested:


www.lifesitenews.com...
www.wnd.com...
www.worldnetdaily.com...
www.soulforce.org...
findarticles.com...

[edit on 24-7-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

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The first 2 are blogs so i don't listen or take to much in them.

The 3rd. Is fotf being anything but hypocritical. its there belief and they stand by it. Do i agree with trying to force a hotel to not show porn...No... it's not the American way. Do they have a right to disagree and boycott. Yes...I agree with all the other stuff listed they stand for.

You see i support GW, i dont agree with everything he does. much like I support FOTF. I ask you are they in general doing good and making society better or doing bad?

reply to post by jitombe


I'll respect your opinion on that matter however it is off topic. This is not about what your kids should learn or the government, this post is tackling FOTF and their influence on education and media.

Kids are getting dumber

You think that leaving things up to parents will make kids smarter? No parent is forced into letting their children become ignorant, both the school and parents as you said are to blame.

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Is fotf being anything but hypocritical. its there belief and they stand by it.

They are forcing people to do as they wish, while at the same time being hypocrites for saying people should be allowed to teach their children or censor their children as they wish while taking away an adults own ability to choose what is right for them to watch or not.

They are hypocrites, going back on their own mentality that it should be your right, not the government or theirs to say what you do with yourself or family.