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GD

posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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Did the trip help or hurt Obama? A simple question, which should inspire some good conversation. The trip to Isreal made him look uncomfortable, the trip to Germany was another Barack Star event. Newshounds will judge him on the merits of the whole trip. So newshounds, how did he do?




posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:31 PM
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People I speak to personally are overwhelmingly sick and tired of seeing him on tv and hearing his name. They just want this election to be over with and if he must be made king so be it, just shut up talking about it. I have been thrilled to learn that I am not the only one suffering from major Obama fatigue. So, to answer your question, maybe this trip was interesting to the people in the nations he visited, but back here in the US the average person frankly doesn't give a rip.


GD

posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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I agree, not on political fatigue, but on Obama fatigue. Many I know think that he demonstrates an enormous amount of pride. I think that is going to wear thin as well.


GD

posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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I agree, not on political fatigue, but on Obama fatigue. Many I know think that he demonstrates an enormous amount of pride. I think that is going to wear thin as well.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by Seeker Mom
maybe this trip was interesting to the people in the nations he visited, but back here in the US the average person frankly doesn't give a rip.


Are you speaking for all the "average" Americans? I don't know how you can do that.

I think the trip was great for him. He has been to Iraq now, has spoken with many world leaders, has presented his views to many people in other countries. He, frankly, shined.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:28 PM
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On the balance, I think the trip itself is probably a wash. The one area where he really had a chance to hit a home run was with the speech today. Instead, I think he hit a double. It was a decent speech, but pretty much what I expected and more or less the Dem party line on foreign affairs, with some window dressing. Aside from that, the various photo ops might play a little, but probably not much.

That's probably going to be offset by the fact that he left Iraq and Afghanistan with the same opinion as before he went, perhaps validating McCain's charge that he'd already made up his mind before meeting with Petraeus and the other commanders on the ground. I'm sure we'll be hearing that repeatedly between now and the election. I think there were also a couple of lines in an otherwise safe speech that might hurt him, plus the fact that he cancelled his trips to two US military hospital bases in Germany today.

Ultimately, though, I think it comes down to that Obama fatigue factor mentioned here. Are people getting sick of it? Possibly. He's not polling that well, in the mid 40s, and about half the country already believes the media is in the tank for him. If they keep beating the public over the head with Obamamania, with the poll numbers as they are, eventually there is going to be a backlash against him. Whether that happens as a result of this trip, I don't know, but I suspect not quite yet.



posted on Jul, 24 2008 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by Seeker Mom
People I speak to personally are overwhelmingly sick and tired of seeing him on tv and hearing his name. They just want this election to be over with and if he must be made king so be it, just shut up talking about it. I have been thrilled to learn that I am not the only one suffering from major Obama fatigue. So, to answer your question, maybe this trip was interesting to the people in the nations he visited, but back here in the US the average person frankly doesn't give a rip.



I'd have to disagree as to the people I speak to. The folks I communicate with on a daily basis can't get enough Obama. The average person around me gives a lot more than a rip. Even those who can't stand him. Heck I got flagged down by Joel Rosenberg, the author of Epicenter just the other day.

Yep, people are definitely interested in him around me.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by Quazga]



posted on Jul, 25 2008 @ 06:46 AM
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He, frankly, shined.


Of course, because nobody in the media is being critical of anything he said. Hes taking all kinds of credit for things, that he had nothing to do with. hes talking about a "wall" between the US and Europe, yet our alliances have never been stronger.

I predict a drop in Obama's numbers.


[edit on 25-7-2008 by Dronetek]


GD

posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 05:12 PM
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I agree. people are going to start seeing the inexperience, and if McCain gets hin in a town hall format. Obama falls apart without a 'prompter or heavily controlled atmosphere.



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 05:54 PM
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I agree w/ BH on this one.

You cant speak for average americans, because every American i know who supports Obama thinks it did him some good.

Meanwhile, where's McBush?

God only knows.



You can make the argument that conservatives dont give a rip

but we already knew that

the only thing conservatives are interested in is their own SELF preservation, and it doesnt matter at the expense of whom, in order to obtain it.



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

This thread is about Obama, not McCain.



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 06:22 PM
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Personally for me, neither.

It did affirm to me that he is more concerned with approval from Europeans than from Americans, just as a majority of his party is.



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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I can't speak for everyone, but I'm about Omama'd out! I'm not just saying that either because I dislike him. It's like eating ice cream everyday. Yeah, it tastes good, but you can get too much of even a good thing..

Even his supporters will eventually get tired of seeing him on the news every night..



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 06:49 PM
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I think you would be right, Lloyd, if the campaign were a permanent thing. But in a few months, this phase will be over and regardless who ends up being the president, the constant talk of the candidates is at least going to wear down.

As an Obama supporter, I can honestly say that I'm not tired of learning more about him.

And as to the direct topic of the thread, Obama said in London today that he suspected this trip would hurt his standing here at home.



"I wouldn't even be surprised if that in some polls you saw a little bit of a dip as a consequence," Obama said, just over three months before the election.

"We've been out of the country for a week. People are worried about gas prices, they're worried about home foreclosures," he explained.
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"Once you are responsible then you are going to make some people unhappy, and that is just the nature of politics."


Source

I'm certain he has plans to take care of that, though.



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by GD
Did the trip help or hurt Obama? A simple question, which should inspire some good conversation. The trip to Isreal made him look uncomfortable, the trip to Germany was another Barack Star event. Newshounds will judge him on the merits of the whole trip. So newshounds, how did he do?


I just CAN'T for the life of me figure out why someone who is RUNNING for the office of presidency here in America would be over in another country trying to represent this country as though he were ALREADY president. I found it to be quite scary. I was watching and just felt
by the liberties he took in what he was saying (again, VERY disturbing to me just because he is NOT president yet and doesn't have the right to be spreading spreading his socialistic views (yet) across the globe as a representation for us).

Why was it scary to me? Because I can read between the lines and it tells me that he already knows what will happen come November.
If I am wrong, then the guy really is an idiot to be over there when we are the ones who he should be appealing to since it IS our hands that will be doing the voting come November and not the Germans.

I mean, WTH??? Why the hell is he over in Germany speaking to their ppl when he is supposed to be RUNNING for a leadership position HERE. Anyone who puts their vote of confidence in a man that would take such arrogant liberties as he did in Germany while we are back here dealing w/ a HUGE mess of issues is a socialist zombie, IMO! Wake up already and get a clue!!!



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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well it showed that obama is definatly into globalism and "one world" type of crap. what other canadate goes to germany to campaing for a US election.

Im sick of these gloabalist corporate whores. there is no choice between obama and mccain.

i think the trip could have helped him more if his plane was delayed for all of eternity. and mccain was on the plane with him. they can both stay in germany for all i care. or maybe both go to mexico or colombia or wherever the hell mccain went to a few weeks ago.

this election makes me want to projectile vomit.



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma
I just CAN'T for the life of me figure out why someone who is RUNNING for the office of presidency here in America would be over in another country trying to represent this country as though he were ALREADY president.


Did you listen to anything he said while he was over there? Because if you did, I don't understand why you think he was talking as if he were already president. He's a US Senator, don't forget. They make trips and talk to other countries all the time. McCain Did it, Too.


[edit on 26-7-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Jul, 26 2008 @ 08:41 PM
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First off, I will say only one thing about McCain, no need in throwing him in my face because he will screw us over in the long run as well. However, you are trying to deflect what this thread is about. TITLE: Did the trip help or hurt OBAMA? (doesn't say anything about McCain, so why don't you stay on topic).


Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Did you listen to anything he said while he was over there?


I did or I wouldn't have commented
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Red Flags in the Speech:




Look at Berlin, where the determination of a people met the generosity of the Marshall Plan and created a German miracle; where a victory over tyranny gave rise to NATO, the greatest alliance ever formed to defend our common security.


Know anything about NATO? Know anything about our constitution, the founding fathers' position on alliances, and why they held to that position? Know anything about civilians testamonies regarding the treatment and deceit they have dealt w/ through NATO's armed military?

If you don't know what I am referring to, I implore you to go do some research. Let me give you one hint about NATO that should raise red flags about anyone who would support such an ORGANIZATION... NATO is just that, an organization supposedly representing the alliance of certain key countries... they are NOT a country and yet this organization has its own military...... again, they ARE NOT A COUNTRY and they have their OWN military which has more freedom to terrorize than a country would.




But that very closeness has given rise to new dangers - dangers that cannot be contained within the borders of a country or by the distance of an ocean.


Sheesh, not more terror talk.
Sounds kind of like they are being prepped for something if you ask me.




The terrorists of September 11th plotted in Hamburg and trained in Kandahar and Karachi before killing thousands from all over the globe on American soil.


Uhm, why would Obama mention plotting in Hamburg, training in Kandahar and Karachi and then make it sound as if they came straight away to America and killed thousands here.
He seems to have conveniently forgotten to mention they spent quite some time here training and plotting as well before the actual killing took place. How flippin' convenient.




As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.


Translated to mean, "we are going to need all your money too to save the world even though we, the American government are doing our part to help destroy it.
yeah, I took some liberty w/ the translation, sue me if what I say doesn't come true when he becomes president of the free world (world was intentionally too).




Poorly secured nuclear material in the former Soviet Union, or secrets from a scientist in Pakistan could help build a bomb that detonates in Paris. The poppies in Afghanistan become the heroin in Berlin. The poverty and violence in Somalia breeds the terror of tomorrow. The genocide in Darfur shames the conscience of us all.


Kind of sounds a bit like 'Dubbya' here.. almost as if the ones pulling the current dict...dang, keep making that mistake.... president's strings are also pulling his strings as well.

Doesn't sound like much change in the doom and gloom scenario speeches we have been force fed by our current administration.




In this new world, such dangerous currents have swept along faster than our efforts to contain them. That is why we cannot afford to be divided. No one nation, no matter how large or powerful, can defeat such challenges alone. None of us can deny these threats, or escape responsibility in meeting them.


One World united against all terrorists. oh, and should you forget the definition of terrorist, let me remind you "An individual who uses violence, terror, and intimidation to achieve a result." Hmm... come to think of it I could think of quite a few high ranking terrorist


blah blah blah more one world, unite together against threats or we all will be taken over by "terrorist" ho-hum babbling. *yawns*

I am actually growing tired of doing the homework for someone who says they support the principles we were founded on yet supports a socialist fool who wants nothing more than to help, yes, *CHANGE* the world from being one of diversity to one that is erased of individuality and personal freedoms all in the name of security.

I will touch on one more thing though for snips and grins:




That is why the greatest danger of all is to allow new walls to divide us from one another.


Right on future dict....... dang me and my mess ups.... president
The greatest danger of all IS the walls that would divide.
It is a danger to the ushering in of a One World Government and it is a danger to those who would oppose bc it would mean great sacrifice to try and stop the empire being imposed on all us little peons around the globe.


transcript for speech



[edit on 26-7-2008 by justamomma]



posted on Jul, 27 2008 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This thread is about Obama, not McCain.



My post was about Obama. The other part that had to do with McCain was in response to this post: "I agree. people are going to start seeing the inexperience, and if McCain gets hin in a town hall format. Obama falls apart without a 'prompter or heavily controlled atmosphere."

Which was done by the OP. I was going with the flow of the thread. Why wasn't that removed?




[edit on 27-7-2008 by Shawn B.]






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