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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:03 PM by mad bloke
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hi i am sorry but i cannot belive the op. why post on u tube if it is his client
thought somthing was going to happen to him. i would have wanted to post on ats at least people who would belive him. Like the op said, he wanted to
in case somthing did happen to him. i could find a new video
and made it look like my client. i need more proof.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:04 PM by argentus
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Completely agree with what you said. Very well expressed. I try to consider the concept of karma in nearly everything I do.
Cheers
Back on topic: OP, if you disappear on us, you are SO gonna incur wrathful karma. Please contact Springer as NefraTari suggested.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:06 PM by dunwichwitch
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Are there black pyramids on mars, sammydavisjuniorjunior?
Just wondering if you'd know. Would you know? I don't know.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:07 PM by ~Lucidity
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:07 PM by garyo1954
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Interesting use of the alien photo as well.
It's a frame from "UFOs: Fifty Years of Denial."
According to Bob Collins, three good sources have indicated that it's "real."
Note the apparent bruising on the face and the "knot" running diagonally up along the thin neck (like its head was twisted more that 90 degrees then
brought back?). Is this evidence of crash injuries? It appears from the two color photos taken of the original that the Eben was erected upright and
its picture taken. Then what looks like rags or packing material (if this took place in Mexico then that explains the rags?) is just behind the Eben?
Also, notice the tight fitting uniform on the Eben........Rmc
Source
Should be interesting to watch this unfold.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:12 PM by Alxandro
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Hey OP, can you tell us if your clients illness was a direct result from working at NASA?
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:15 PM by v1.01
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Originally posted by argentus
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I honed in on the "popping balloons" thing too. It kind of makes sense, IF our spirit/sense of self perseveres, and the grays believe they are
working from a higher overall view of things....... the long view.
Not to say that I don't still distrust them, becuase I do. Much as I'm sure the cockroaches that scurry around our house fear being stamped out by
me, and all the while I think their lives are expendable, as I know they will eventually try to get into the house and crap on my plates. Who is in
the right?
it is possible that they also have the ability to repair a balloon. where it's wrong for us to take a life because we can't give it back.. suppose
they can give life back? least we forget John Lear's soul catcher on the moon
regarding insects, when i find an insect i catch it and through it out the door. some spiders i allow to stay in my room. i had some fruit fly's and
i became a master at catching them
relocation works.. although i do try to kill mosquitos occasionally when they bite if im in a bad mood.. but mostly i blow them off me and swat them
down. i don't think other more advanced planets have these bothersome insects like mosquitos... i think they come from some negative aspect that's
indigenous to earth.. i also think it's possible we can evolve earth to where we no longer have insects that are parasitic to us.. more like a
utopian world.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:17 PM by The Cyfre
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The Nasa Scientist was named Joseph Paul Ciganek. He is in the picture on the video. Another picture of him can be found
here.
Ciganek was killed by an alien using telepathy, like a psychic attack or something. They probably give us technology for something in return, like
inter-planetary carrots and sticks. If the have a sort of robotic sense of humor like the narrator says, then it makes sense their logic would dictate
a relationship with humanity while their personal day-to-day actions concerning humans may not be as important to them. If they believe we are all
universal and that is the true life in the universe, that we are balloons that can simply be popped, and it's not a big deal, it makes sense to think
they would think more ultimately in terms of their agreements with our species of life.
What else... oh! Ciganek was stabbed and beaten to death by a couple of asian dudes. A woman her her two kids were also stabbed and beaten to death,
the woman had divorced one of the guys back in 2004.
They haven't established a motive for the killers, and someone who knew one of them made a comment
here stating that he was a great person and it was so
surprising that he did this.
What else? Oh, if the narrator posted this on July 24th (today) and Ciganek was killed at 5pm on Monday, June 23rd. If the narrator has five more
months to live, i'm sure he'll have more.
I couldn't find any information on Sam Davidson but i'm not finished looking.
I'm not making a determination one way or the next, i'm better at doing the research. I will say it reminds me of a
rabbit hole, which would be very cool.
Flagged, be back later!
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:19 PM by prionace glauca
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So the OP hasn't shown up to clarify more about this post, especially pertaining to what his client did?
Why not put all the info at once instead of constant teasing by all the new posters lately?

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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:20 PM by jpvskyfreak
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Is that a photo of the guy at the control desk? If so why hide your voice if you're going to put a photo of yourself on there?
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:22 PM by argentus
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I do the same for spinx moths, lizards, etc. We have cats and they capture things and bring them inside. I'm about 75% successful in rescuing
the various creatures and turning them free again. I live in the tropics and roaches are legion. Spiders I'm fine with -- they eat things I
dislike more. Roaches have an affinity for crawling on people. I don't know why, I just know it's true for us. Therefore, they must die when
they are inside. And for all of them I've killed and thrown outside, the carcas is never left for long. Lizards gotta eat. Soldier crabs gotta
eat. It's an interactive ecosystem I live in, and loving it.
Interesting -- the concept of repairing the balloon. Perhaps sometimes it has to be popped to make it better? I don't know. If your avatar is in
any way relational to your temporal age, you are far beyond your years.
Cheers
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:24 PM by Dulcimer
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Best way to pull of a hoax ever? Possibly!
Can't ask a dead person many questions now can we? I will just nod my head and let the replies float in.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:24 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
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I find it interesting that a dying man wouldn't come on here and talk to us on his own. I know he's dead now, but why wait? Seems like a clever way
to avoid a heap of questions. Perhaps the lawyer is someone who is still alive and revealing these details. Or they are a hoaxer who was clever enough
to make up a story in which the NASA worker wouldn't have to deal with our scrutiny.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:28 PM by Pocky
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That sounds pretty possible. I hope the guy can post more soon. A lot of the time, in those NASA photos, I feel like they look too photoshopped. So it
is very possible that like he says, they've been covering up stuff.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:28 PM by argentus
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Agree. If the OP doesn't contact ATS admin. then I think that leans heavily toward an opportunistic hoax. The bad part of it is, what if the
youtube were real, and an opportunist ruined it by utilizing it as a hoax?
The longer this goes on without input from the OP, the more it makes me sad.
OP, if you're doing the right thing and working with ATS, please just drop us a note, let us know what's going on. We can actually fabricate some
patience, if given some data.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:32 PM by ignorant_ape
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wow - one post and one vid and the 1st person / 3rd person identities have already been mixed up :
why is the Youtube account " nasajim08 " when ` jim ` is supposedly dead - and the vids are supposedly being uploaded by ` samdavidson `
why is this vid the first instalment - if ` jim ` had 5 months to live - why does the first vid cite a very recent event ?
IMHO a ` nasa engineeer ` would be more methodical - and start at the begining with a linear presentation of his case
the ` i will post more later ` in the vid - makes no sense at all " jim " intends to be dead before any are released
why would that line be in the vid - if they were sent to his presumed lawyer - wouldnt a covering letter make more sense than forcing his lawyer to
watch the vids to make sense of the instruction ?
we are truely in the grip of the ATS ` SILLY SEASON `
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:41 PM by Dimitry
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I know if someone paid me to client service this posting on youtube and ats, not being involved with ATS, I probably wouldn't get into it if it
didn't interest me, or I thought everyone was a nutcase. This will get really no where until more research into Mars has been done, and we'll have
this as a little "I told you so" until then, end of story.
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:44 PM by Quazga
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Anybody else find it funny that he says "Check back later, maybe I'll post more".
But yet, he is supposed to be dead. How come this didn't start out as "If you are watching this, it means that I am already dead?"
Matter of fact, he states at the beginning that he is terminal, and he doesn't want to die without giving all this information to his brothers in
mankind.
Yet, he ends it with, "Check back, and I'll post some more."
And this guy never connects the illuminati to the aliens.
He consistently mis pronounces Illuminati, Cydonia, and a few other words. This doesn't sound credible at all to me.
Although I believe the death of any nasa engineer should be duefully examined
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:49 PM by SUNRAY06
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Like Popping a Balloon Not what I would call reverence for our lives. 60 years of watching and what have we shown them..60 years
and what have they learned from us? They have remained for the most part hidden. I am not sure if we are ready to meet the neighbors..but a serious
discussion needs to take place in full view of the public with all the Govt knows or suspects. I dont like the idea of creatures hiding in the shadows
and abducting and experimenting.. what gives them the right?
NASA may or may not have parts of the truth..if this person can be validated perhaps we will all be some steps closer to a DEFINITIVE answer
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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:49 PM by promomag
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It's too bad the advanced aliens with their advanced technology can't do anything for this poor nasa guy who's dying of cancer.
Kind of sucks too.... I was actually looking forward to aliens kind of giving us a hand with medicine and technology.
Oh well
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