Then I'm sure you'd have no problem doing the same thing to somebody who doesn't believe in any of it? Because people who claim that sort of power tend to have difficulty doing anything that isn't explainable by the subject's own expectations...

reply to post by Makoto

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The skeptics are those to scared to do digging for themselves and experience what is outside of themselves.

Skeptics base their conclusions on interpretations, not pure observations from experience.

A skeptic can base his decision more on a basis of ignorance or not knowing then knowing.

Because he was predisposed through conclusions before the fact.



[edit on 24-7-2008 by menguard]

Interesting, I could have sworn I asked you if you could do this to somebody who didn't believe in it--but obviously I must have talked about how scared and incredulous I was about the topic of abnormal abilities, because why else would you make such a statement?
Regardless, I am, in fact, far from afraid of such things--I've been looking for them my entire life. Please, do not assume that those who disagree with you could only do so because they have an emotional stake in their viewpoints--if anything, I would love to find evidence that I'm wrong about this. In fact, I'd love to be wrong about a great many things...

Maybe because when most people encounter alien beings they aren't prepared to get them on camera. Most people probably get them on a camera phone now. Unless you have a nice camera, you aren't going to get a great quality photograph.

The thing that bothers me most about the UFO phenomena is that it hasn't progressed. People still see stuff in the sky. People still say they've been abducted by aliens. The stories from 1974 are pretty much the same as the ones in 1984, 1994, and 2004. After all these decades no one has figured out anything except that some of them have been hoaxes.

The only thing that changes are the things we see. We rarely see the same UFO twice. If you go through ufoinfo.com you'll find there's little consistency in these alleged spacecraft. People have seen hundreds of different kinds of space ships flying around. Square ones, round ones, triangular ones, diamonds, domes, dishes. Some are opaque, some glow. Some have a light or two while some are flying light shows. Some have small round windows and some have huge plate windows. You name it and these guys have traveled to Earth in it.

Trouble is.. A decent camera will need a large lens for taking night-shots.
Any lengthy exposure to try and compensate for lack of light will just produce blurry pics.

Sightings are rare..which means photos are even more rare as no-one wants to carry a weighty cam around everywhere 'just in case'.

As you say..cam-phone pics are a waste of time..until they develop lenses the whole width of the phone.

Just to repeat a good point for a starter...


It's a lot of proclaimed evidence out there, the problem is that the most of it is discarded as false no matter what.




That is all so true. Raise your hand everyone of you that usually carries with you a camera everywhere you go, and especially thouse of you that is carrying the more expencive once with huge lenses for long distance photographing? Don't think it's to many of us. I know I usually don't think of carrying with me my regular digital camera that is of the usual kind you would find among people aren't hobby photographers or pro's for that matter. And thouse cameras doesn't give to good pictures at long distences since you'll have to zoom in a lot, and most often have to use the digital zoom to get close enough, and just because of that the picture get blurry. And if you don't do that the object is to far away and claimed to be a bird, a baloon, an airplane or whatever.

I guess most people won't consider it as good enough evidence before an aledged UFO craches in their back garden.

Guess my overall point is that most people don't carry with them cameras expecting to see an UFO at any given time. The most common "camera" people carries with them is the one on the mobilephones, witch frankly suckes for the most from the beginning if you ask me. They are getting better by the time thou, so we can hope that we'll get better evidence because of that But then again I suppose that most of that will be discarded as hoaxes anyway.


Also, all the people faking pics and videos out there help feeding the sceptisism towards this subject since they are destroying the credibility of thouse who are not lying, witch I think is sad.


Edit: Added some more.

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reply to post by survivor

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both links are linked to non-existant videos

abscense of evidences, isn't evidence of abscence!!!!

That problem seems to sadly be haunting a lot ot the threads here on ATS unfortunately.

What exactly type of physical evidence are you looking for?
Would you like someone to being an alien body to your front door for you to approve?

I'm still looking for physical evidence that a billion dollars exists and I need someone to bring this physical evidence in front of me to approve of this.

Because the millions of pictures of money on the internet are just all pixelated and blurry, just not good enough proof.

Jokes aside do you honestly think a being that much smarter than us would let us take close up photos of him?

Thats like an adult breaking into a 4 year old child's tree house and preventing him from taking photos for a kidnapping.

It wouldn't be that hard to prevent.

Logic people logic!

reply to post by Lethil

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East Enders is still on over there? Now that's evidence of something extraordinary.

Actually, so many people have so many opinions on what constitutes proof, that I suspect that even if the US Government came out and admitted the actuality of UFOs, oh... And aliens... There would be folks who think it is some kind of New World Order ruse to take over the world for the Masons...

The thing I think is funny is that folks are arguing belief vs non-belief. Belief, in and of itself means nothing. They either are or they are not real. Belief matters not. Evidence will be subjective, and probably won't convince everyone, as I stated above, even if it were iron clad.

After several hundred years of intervention by UFOs, if not thousands, there is still no directly attributable evidence that isn't disputable. Repeat there is still no directly attributable evidence that isn't disputable.

We will have lots of work ahead of us, in order to prove the validity vs the invalidity of UFOs and aliens, and I think the first thing we need to do is quit whacking on each other about belief vs non-belief. I, being a Christian, believe in Christ, Buddhist believe in an entirely different set of principles. One of us is wrong, either in a major way, or in minor differences. However, the truth will be the truth, no matter what I believe, or the Buddhist believes...

So quit trying to draw battle lines based on belief... It is by it's very definition, something that can not be proven or disproved. And it is awfully divisive in a field where everyone ought to be working together.

reply to post by skepticsnake

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the proof is all over bro...soon you will see for yourself untill then..

take a gander at this stuff

conspiracyrealitytv.com...




video.google.com...


video.google.com...


search your soul...it's in your DNA


(^_*)

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There's photo's and evidence everywhere, if you just take the time to look you should be able to convince yourself what the truth is. This a kinda dumb question I thought the reason people got on ATS was because they could avoid this.

ok. it takes us almost a decade or two in order to plan and build a ship barely capable of making it to the moon and back. We have as a race been trying to reach mars but can barely keep a rover intact long enough to get any good quality pictures. and we cant even get along on our own dirt and soil let alone as a planet. You mean to tell me its hard for you to believe that these grays cannot shift shapes or have the technology to hide their true identities when they travel here probably through time in round spacecraft with unlimited energy, that can defy most of our laws of physics, stop in mid air, and disappear into thin air right in front of our eyes? If you are going to criticize peoples experiences you should at least have the ability to think outside the box and be open minded about other existences. other planets with different laws of physics and different elements and minerals and liquids we couldnt even imagine. now this is not exactly what i believe. im a sort of a skeptic. but im tired of the close mindedness on this website dedicated to conpiracy THEORIES and ufo and extrta terrestrial THEORIES.


Keyword: THEORY




THEORY....









theory.

I am a skeptical believer. I am not like most of the sheep on here...give them a story and it becomes fact. I believe that there is not enough evidence to support alien visitations but there is some type of technology that is being used that we do not understand. The more logical assumption is that government are using this tech...but then again there is no proof either way. There is too much psychological problems that can be associated with alien visitations. If you can duplicate it in a laboratory, like being watched or taken out of your body and/or seeing things that aren't there..then it has to be considered to be one of the answers. People will say it is true because they have been there or witnessed it, but than again so do most people who kill and say the devil spoke to them and told them to do it. Saying its true with nno facts to back it up is not going to cut it.

two words: "dragonfly drones"

google that.

No there isn't proof meaning typed neatly into a school textbook, accepted by the world in general and taught to us since birth like up and down and 2=2+4. But proof is there in eyewitness accounts, grainy pictures and videos and the feeling most people have that we are not all there is in the is universe.

What do aliens want, that I don't know. Nor do I know where they come from or why. I believe some people do know but we have been taught this is wild and sci-fi. Not to be taken seriously. It's ingrained in us that alien believers are a little off. Its just like any other science that once was just a mystery. Until the proof that is doubted now is accepted by the majority of the population and scientific leaders it will always be open to criticism.

To top it off there is a lot of crap "proof" out there. Enough to make anything with a shred of truth easily dismissed. I never really believed in aliens until I was sixteen and saw something I couldn't wave away. Nothing mind-blowing just a bright but silent light rising out of the trees holding still for ten minutes and then zipping along at tree level until the end of the road before going up and disappearing.

Now I'm not believing everything I see and read but I believe more because I saw something I shouldn't have. Or at least something I haven't been able to explain yet.

Like any unbelievable idea, life after death, OBE and what not until you see it, it is hard to accept.