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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 10:39 PM by Solarskye

reply to post by pernox

The American dream made by good decisions and smart finances. Thank you for your story pernox and I'm very proud that you have had good comings along with the bad ones. You made good choices and look where you are and what you're doing. Congrats! And I hope you and you daughter and the love of your life succeed, because you kept at it and never gave an inch to saying the hell with it.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 10:40 PM by xEphon

Originally posted by slackerwire

Originally posted by xEphon

Because an hour of hard work shouldn't cost almost as much as a gallon of milk or gas. It has nothing to do with job skill when talking about a decent minimum wage. In 1949 the minimum wage was $0.75 an hour. That could buy you a gallon of gas AND a gallon of milk with a few cents left over for a 6 pack of soda.

Then thank inflation, high oil prices, and the cost of business generally going up.

Hypothetical: We go to war with Iran and oil rockets up to $300 per barrel.

Should minimum wage be raised to 12 or 15 bucks an hour just so that employee can afford a gallon of gas?

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I was trying to give you perspective - but Yes. The whole reason for the minimum wage is so that people - mainly the poor - don't become exploited. Since we're talking about economics the minimum wage should certainly have some relationship to inflation otherwise there is no point in the minimum wage. The rich would slave drive the poor which would spread into the middle class...oh wait - thats already happening.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 10:43 PM by ncuncfan2006

reply to post by slackerwire

Because the cost would be to high for someone just starting out a business. But there is a big difference in going from 5.75 /hr in NC to 6.55. Than paying someone 16/hr

I never argued for tripling the minimum wage. I said its basically been 10 years since it was raised and i dont see how a dollar well less than a dollar raise here in NC would kill any businesses.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 10:45 PM by slackerwire

reply to post by pernox

Awesome story. Good on ya for proving what some consider to be a fairy tale true.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 10:48 PM by slackerwire

reply to post by ncuncfan2006

The cost would be too high? Odd, considering many immigrants step right off the proverbial boat and work 80-100 hours a week to start their own and provide a decent life for their families.

Sounds to me like you just don't want to put forth the effort.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 10:50 PM by slackerwire

reply to post by xEphon

You might have a point on inflation, but when product costs go up due to uncontrollable circumstances (aka war in Iran, hurricanes wiping out refineries, etc etc), business owners should be forced to raise their cost of doing business simply so some uneducated entry level person can make 30k per year.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 10:56 PM by ncuncfan2006

reply to post by slackerwire

Jesus christ you freaking people dont get the point.

NOONE IS ARGUING THAT PEOPLE CANT BUST THERE ASS AND MAKE IT !

My Mom and dad only had High School diplomas and busted their asses off and have did fairly good in their life.. MY mom makes 40 K a year with just a high school diploma in eastern NC where the cost of living isnt that high. Thats real decent money for where i live at.

Noone isnt saying you cant scrape your way and make it with dedication and hard work.!! Noone is saying you should sit and feel sorry for yourself.

And i put forth the effort. Im a MCSE, A+ certified, with a 2 year degree in Information Systems Technology. I make 60 K a year as a network admin where the average 3 bedroom townhouse is only $850 a month.

What I am saying is i feel anyone in this day and time reguardless if they clean toilets, or shovel sh#$ etc is worth more than 5.75 a hour which is what the minimum wage is here.

And im sorry any human being who works hard is worth more than that in this day and age and if you dont agree fine!

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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:01 PM by justamomma

I am just gonna say it. I have nothing against toilet cleaners and *snip* shovelers, after all, I am a mom and have done my fair share of both (without pay mind you

), but there is a reason why those are bottom of the rung jobs. If they want to make more, they can quit and make more. Right? What am I missing here?

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:11 PM by ncuncfan2006

reply to post by justamomma

Im more worried about the people getting out of highschool who dont have help and are trying to make it. Pay for college, books etc . Not ADULTS

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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:12 PM by Solarskye

Look at history and the farmers in America who worked from sunrise to sunset. No that's working your buns off. They had floods, droughts, loans out the wahoo's for equipment and they never quit until our government set forth laws and regulations that put them out of business. I want everyone to know that I'm not some heartless person who doesn't care. I've said earlier that I have a passion for helping people out. I help build " Houses for Humanity on some weekends and everyone there is so positive and joyful to work with. We know that when the house is finished that someone who needed a home will live there and raise their children. My heart grows big, just like the Grinch when we finish one. I buy the bag of food for the food drive that my local Food city does once a month and I know that someone will be eating that food. I've helped total strangers out who needed a hand and have been warned by my family and friends to be careful " you don't know these people " but something drives me to do it. And I've made new friends who have appreciated me for it. But I still feel that people need to earn it. If I help someone out I don't want them sitting back while I do the work, they need to work with me. The economy is getting worse and yet they pile on another problem ( minimum wage ) that only raises prices and makes the worker spend more money. It's always more, more, more with no incentive to better your life with better schooling, better management skills, vocational skills etc... I do care and I wish the government cared more about the backbone hard working people of this country, but all I hear is Hillary Clinton bragging that she is in the six zero money now. We keep the country going while the government makes it harder for the poor and middle class to survive without them.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:22 PM by realshanti

Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by ncuncfan2006

The cost would be too high? Odd, considering many immigrants step right off the proverbial boat and work 80-100 hours a week to start their own and provide a decent life for their families.

Sounds to me like you just don't want to put forth the effort.

One thing about immigrants - they still have something called an extended family and the values to go along with it...meaning they stick together, support each other through the tough times, pool their resources, have family businesses and take care of their elders....

If native born Americans still took these things to heart there would be much less dependency on the Fed and State govs...we are spoiled and live in relative isolation...plain and simple...times are changing and so must we...
I am 58, disabled (can't walk very well) unemployed, my unemployment ran out and after 40 years of working my money is gone, having been spent on health care and living expenses for the past two years - I live with friends - thank God I have friends or I would be living in a shelter or on the street..my family is dead...and I am living on a 300 per month (GAU) plus food stamps and glad to have the help...
without friends who love and care for me I would be in the same boat that thousands of others are already in...but still when someone asks me for help I give it...if they need money and I have it to give - I give it...if they need food I give it...so I'm not complaining...I'm blessed beyond measure to be alive and have a roof, food to eat,(and they'll have to pry my aging laptop from my cold dead fingers

) At this point I know whats important in life and it's not the size of your bank account but the size of your spirit and your ability to face the future with joy...so I say bring it on...

My point is we never know what we are truly capable of until we are tested and I know that many folks on this board have the spirit, the ingenuity, the mettle so to speak to get through the times ahead...this argument over the minimum wage is a glitch on the highway of what is coming our way....I suggest we learn how to help ourselves and each other in creative ways...and stop hoping for Big Daddy Fed to do the right thing....its on us ultimately what we make of our lives. Free advice from your pinko granny

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:32 PM by amfirst

What people don't understand is when u raise the minimum, prices for goods are raise as well to pay for the increase in wage expense.

People need to go get a better job, you don't even need a good education to do it.

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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:35 PM by winged patriot

What you liberal terrorist lovers don't get is we don't care about you!Slim of the world ain't taking my money.If your unhappy find another country or shoot yourself I ain't given a penny.Satin put you here and the sooner the world is free with all of ya the better!

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:36 PM by winged patriot

Originally posted by amfirst
What people don't understand is when u raise the minimum, prices for goods are raise as well to pay for the increase in wage expense.

People need to go get a better job, you don't even need a good education to do it.

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Damm right goods are raise on everything, I'm sick of the babies.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:37 PM by Solarskye

Originally posted by realshanti
One thing about immigrants - they still have something called an extended family and the values to go along with it...meaning they stick together, support each other through the tough times, pool their resources, have family businesses and take care of their elders....

If native born Americans still took these things to heart there would be much less dependency on the Fed and State govs...we are spoiled and live in relative isolation...plain and simple...times are changing and so must we...

Yes I have noticed that and if it takes twenty of them living in the same house then so be it. Just like Ellis Island back in the day when it was much harder times for immigrants. That's one thing that is lost with us natives. Family is so important and without them who do you have? Hopefully friends, but family is so much more important. We stuff our elders in nursing homes and separate ourselves from them with only an occasional visit. Imagine a whole minimum wage family pulling together and pooling their resources. But no, we want our Independence and government helping us along the way.

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:40 PM by winged patriot

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:43 PM by slackerwire

reply to post by winged patriot

uh what?

'huh?

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:44 PM by ALightinDarkness

reply to post by ncuncfan2006

That should be the group you have to worry the least about. Anyone who works hard can get a full ride to a local state university.

Note that DOES require you working hard, over 4 years, which is why so many prefer to take out loans

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:45 PM by winged patriot

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Solarskye

........ at $5.85 working 40hrs a week, a person can expect to earn $234 a week, or $936 a month, a total of $11,223 a year.

This falls below the US Standard for Poverty.

Average rent in a run down ghetto area in town in the US is around $550 a month.

$386 left over......
Assuming this person owns a car, the car payments and insurance (as the state forces people to buy corporate insurance........) would be about $150 (assuming it's a POS car and they don't owe much on it.. of course, car breaks down they are out of a job...)

$236 left....

Average 80-100 a WEEK on food..

Oh snap. Can't eat.

maybe roman noodles. But i though, in America, we where better then that.

Inflation is around 15% or hirer depending on the source, and the minimum wage has only recently risen since Clinton era?

Disgusting.

It should reside around $7-$8 an hour, depending on the cost of living in the city you live. Perhaps Solar, you have never seen with your own eyes the squalor some people live in ... not homeless people... but people with families and children who sleep on the floor of a one room flat because the minimum wage is all they can earn.

well then they need to get another job or two!Your just a liberal anyhows, big baby
When I was younger I worked for 15 hours a days- and made 2 dollars -- babys . You see this is why we need to get these camps going already!

reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:47 PM by winged patriot