OP forgot about the inflation, it grows faster than the minimum wage

Originally posted by TheOracle
so the OP believes a higher education is the solution. Lets assume everybody gets higher education, then please tell me who would clean toilets?
life appears so simple for you right, where can people get an education when they cant even afford to feed themselves?

I don't believe higher education is the solution but it helps. I've never gone to college myself. Life is hard for me and getting harder with all the high prices. I'm giving up a truck that I was trying to pay on but just can't do it anymore and we're back to one vehicle again which is fine as long as we have a roof over our heads and the important bills get paid. America looks like it's feeding itself that's for sure.



And the show I saw the other night with young kids being 500 pounds, it made me cry.

Raising the Minimum wage is another example of treating the symptom not the sickness.

What i find humerous is you people are knocking the poor people. How about the hard working people who have worked for a company for 20-30 years been loyal just to one day go into work and be told your job is gone. We are out sourcing to Mexico. Your just a damn number to these companys and guys like slackerwire they dont care you have a family to feed. You guys act like its easy to get a awesome paying job. Maybe where you live it is but not everywhere. As some people can confirm in this thread even some college educated people have a hard time finding a well paying job.

So get off your high and mighty horse.

Why not get pissed about people like that?? Maybe because you are those type of people.



[edit on 24-7-2008 by ncuncfan2006]

I have now read this entire thread and the entire argument for the pro-minimum wage side seems to come down to this: someone, somewhere is a hard worker and due to just bad luck and through no fault of their own, they can't get a better job even though they've tried.

I do not doubt that such people exist. But public policy should not be made to benefit the few at the expense of everyone else. I don't care if anyone thinks it already is. It shouldn't be. Public policy is not crafted to save the very, very few who get paid minimum wage and cannot get out of it in any way. In doing so it hurts us all, causes inflation, and causes lots of people at or near minimum wage to lose their job.

All of the other argument devolve into populist class warfare tactics. Minimum wage is NOT going to punish the rich and NOT help the poor.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]

I guess this is where I get confused on this issue. How is it that ppl are having such a hard time finding a job? You don't even have to go "out" and work. You can work from home. Build a business of your own. Learn data entry. If you are even that desperate, advertise some kind of service on Craig'sList such as running errands for business ppl who otherwise would fall behind on things such as dry cleaning, grocery shopping, etc (this is actually becoming a popular way to make money), mow yards, whatever. If you want the $$ bad enough, it is there.... even for, dare I say, the uneducated and "less fortunate."

Just seems unfair for ppl who won't get raises while the minimum wage goes up to pay more for the lifestyle they have worked hard to get to.

And really, the main thing that doesn't make sense to me is that the cost of living will go up, so does minimum wage increases really help the poor? OMG!!! Is this how WE or THEY (depending on your position) are wiping out the middle class?



[edit on 24-7-2008 by justamomma]

Labor is a market. If you enforce prices on a market you get devaluation of the commodity(the labor) and currency(use of funds to create other final goods). These two affect inflation thus make products more expensive, and the same needy people have to spend more for goods creating a perpetual feedback loop for raising wages then inflation rinse and repeat.

If the American government is going to coerce businesses to pay higher wages(and then pay taxes on that), than this encourages people to work under the radar(illegal immigrants).

We are out sourcing to Mexico.

Out sourcing has benefited our economy and theirs as well. Would you rather the company that outsourced go bankrupt or move to Mexico? Either way jobs are lost, but with one way we can at least benefit other nations as well as ourselves. Lets try to not be spiteful and say "if we can't have these jobs, no one can".

How about the hard working people who have worked for a company for 20-30 years been loyal just to one day go into work and be told your job is gone.

Industry is like a glacier. It is moving constantly and perpetually growing and shrinking, but most people do not have a long enough attention span to witness these events. There is nothing static about industry. 140 years ago their were no automobiles or factories to build them(jobs), but there were also these things called horses that someone had to care for. Just look at the Tech Market right now. It is moving so fast that it shows exactly my point.

At some point there was a factory of workers that built robots, only to lose their jobs to those very robots. That is life, and that is how the world moves forward. The only people that do not want this are politicians and special interest groups(car manufacturers.... hydrogen fuels were possible 20 years ago).