Stop Raising The Minimum Wage & Stop Whining

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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Wow, what a large assuming ability you have there.


You make a ridiculous statement such as that, and then you go on to say that since I worked for a PMC, I MUST be a republican? Do you even bother reading what you type?


Maybe I wanted to actually eat something instead of listening to him spout off in defending corporations.


You claim you went to college right? Ever bother to take a reading comprehension class? Try reading my posts again, I am not defending corporations in regards to minimum wage, I am defending the right of a PRIVATE business owner to exercise his FREEDOM to pay employees the wages he deems fit, and not be forced to pay certain amounts through unconstitutional actions by the federal government.

Thats the problem with people like you. You make ridiculous suggestions, and fail to provide any evidence whatsoever because you know none exists. I asked another poster this question, but I will pose it to you as well:

Would you tell a surgeon how to operate? Would you tell Tiger Woods how to golf? No?

Then what the hell are you doing trying to tell business owners how to run their business when it's obvious you have zero knowledge of how to actually run a business?


Since slackerwire has previosly stated elsewhere within ATS he used to work for Blackwater, it stands to reason he's a Republican.


A more retarded, ridiculous assumption has never taken place on ATS.

Did you actually go to college classes, or were you simply enrolled?

I dont identify with either of the 2 political parties. I am a Constitutionalist, and I have no use for either the republicans or the democrats.




posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:11 PM
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They think that getting rid of the income tax is like some weird and crazy thing that can never happen. Sure it can. Go to the constitution and run your government accordingly. Get rid of the fed and coin and set the value of your own currency. Sounds like common sense to you and me but not to the sheeple.


Have you ever watched Life and debt in Jamaica. Thats a very interesting movie on how the IMF manipulates countries into debt they can never get out from underneath
Life and Debt globalization and Jamaica



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:17 PM
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Ill check it out but the reason why we will never be out of debt is our monetary system. Because our money is based on debt no debt means no money. This is what people dont understand. To me the gold standard is ok but chaining the dollar to some sort of production to me is a good idea. The first thing that needs to be done is get rid of the fractional reserve system, the fed, and our fiat currency. From there we can get into a monetary system based on production and not on debt. Ill check out your link.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Blackwater are high paid Security Guards, sucking off the D.O.D. and Pentagon.

Anyone who previously worked for them, doesn't know much about living on Minimum Wage.

I've talked to someone about the possibility of going to Afghanistan in "private security", for up to $10,000 a month, so I know what they can potentially get paid, and it's not Minimum Wage, that's for sure.



So, it sounds to me like your issue isn't so much about what they do, but that they get paid more money? I mean hell, if you are putting your life on the line, shouldn't you be entitled to more money? They aren't mopping floors, flipping burgers, or burping a child in daycare.

(let's not argue about blackwater being right or wrong bc this topic is about minimum wage, not participating in blackwater).


[edit on 29-7-2008 by justamomma]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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slackerwire, you go dig through there and see I know a lot more. You're not baiting Me into de-raling the thread and getting a warning.

Political Collusion of a President and Congress in Collapsing America, The Fall of the New Rome

If you're going to quote someone, don't have selective quoting, or selective reading abilities.


Personally, I think it's about time, that the large businesses were brought to their knees, it's about time they paid more taxes for more profits.

I would rescind N.A.F.T.A. and the soon to be in effect S.A.F.T.A.

I did a College assignment on this, and if I find it I'll post it here.

You know Cheney used to run Halliburton, right? The biggest oil company in Iraq right now. Profits, profits, everywhere, and where there profits to be made, Cheney and Bush are at the center of it, meanwhile our paychecks stay the same.


You'll see there, I mentioned I'd apologize if I was wrong, done it once, not doing it again.


Wow, what a large assuming ability you have there.

Maybe I wanted to actually eat something instead of listening to him spout off in defending corporations.

Since slackerwire has previosly stated elsewhere within ATS he used to work for Blackwater, it stands to reason he's a Republican.

If I'm wrong, I'll apologize in advance, slackerwire. Sorry.


And yes you working for a PMC does mean you worked directly for the people who are responsible for keeping the Minimum Wage to a minimum.

Don't try to bushwhack Me again, slackerwire. You're talking to a man who's college educated as well as self-educated. I know Profits vs Losses, and the scale of profit over wages.




[edit on 29-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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The crime of the Canadian banking system this is the Canadian version of the US scam. The biggest joke is how in the coffee shop the consensus is we should be trying to pay off our deficit at all costs ? WTF, we should be hanging the people responsible for this outrageous fraud !



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Anyone who previously worked for them, doesn't know much about living on Minimum Wage.



Minimum wage isnt meant to be "lived on". It's entry level for people little or no skills.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:33 PM
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I own a restaurant and I can tell you there's gold in them burgers
I used to be a gold miner too So I know gold when I see it



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas


slackerwire, you go dig through there and see I know a lot more.

Don't try to bushwhack Me again, slackerwire. You're talking to a man who's college educated as well as self-educated. I know Profits vs Losses, and the scale of profit over wages.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]


You continue to say you know this, and you know that, so I am left wondering at what point will you actually be exhibiting this alleged knowledge you have?

So far you have done nothing except prove your ignorance in terms of economics.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by mybigunit
 

The crime of the Canadian banking system this is the Canadian version of the US scam. The biggest joke is how in the coffee shop the consensus is we should be trying to pay off our deficit at all costs ? WTF, we should be hanging the people responsible for this outrageous fraud !


Yup they create and deflate all these bubbles. Our central bank really is the worse of them all though. Pair people like helicopter Ben and our 2 party dictatorship who wants to spend spend spend without having the money. They dont want the debt paid off. Its a sham. It CANT be paid off. Thats why when these guys talk about paying the debt off its hilarious. I dont think the big bankers are going to ever allow that to happen. If it does they are out of business. Yes there needs to be some hangings I totally agree my friend. Deny Injustice.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire

Minimum wage isnt meant to be "lived on". It's entry level for people little or no skills.


Ok Ive sat out long enough on this argument time to come back...


It depends on what you believe minimum wage is. I personally feel that if you contribute to society you should be able to at least survive in that very society you serve. That is how I feel doesnt make me right. If you sit at home and do nothing that is a different story.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma


So, it sounds to me like your issue isn't so much about what they do, but that they get paid more money? I mean hell, if you are putting your life on the line, shouldn't you be entitled to more money? They aren't mopping floors, flipping burgers, or burping a child in daycare.

(let's not argue about blackwater being right or wrong bc this topic is about minimum wage, not participating in blackwater).




So should police officers make $800 a day? How about the regular soldier should they make $800 a day? They risk their lives dont they? If they do deserve that much who is to pay them the government? You like an 80% tax rate do ya? Do ya dig a Hugo Chavez government do ya? You logic is flawed. Teachers dont risk their lives so they should be paid little right? Im a libertarian and I believe in self sufficiency but I also believe in fairness.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:54 PM
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People with no marketable job skills simply don't deserve 10 bucks an hour.

Nor do they deserve 9.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:56 PM
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I think there should definitely be a premium for danger pay. When I was mining it was dangerous and you got paid for it. It's that way with cops too.
Are you saying it shouldn't be? People will not do the job otherwise. I knew two people who got killed while I was working there in 8 years not to mention countless people injured by loose rock.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:58 PM
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Wow, there's those limited editing abilities going again.

It's a sad day when Congressmen can make profits off of war, and not raise Minimum Wage, something that's atrocious in our nation, that the people at the top get all this money due to political collusion, and the little man is stuck at the bottom scraping by on Minimum Wage, or slightly higher because they have a college education, or they work for a company that pays fairer wages than most.





Political Collusion of a President and Congress in Collapsing America, The Fall of the New Rome

While I'm sure a lot of people will agree with you that Congress among other people really should be hanged for treasonous actions, it's not what's going to get things done, besides that's a terrible waste of rope in that those brittle old necks are already close to snapping due to the weight of their huge egos filling their heads.

What needs to be done is for American's to comprehend what is going on, and do something about it, through buying corporate stocks in the companies that really have the ability to change these things, and vote on the appropriate matters at hand when shareholders vote. The problem with this is that those same said Americans would rather whine, whinge, and cry about their poor little woes, and stick an extra $20 in lottery tickets and $6 for a six-pack instead of smartly investing.

It takes a hands-on approach at changing these things with hard-earned money going into investments instead of wasting it on beer, cigarettes, and a cheap hooker. Every day for the five years I worked at 7-11 while selling lottery tickets with a pack of cigarettes or a sandwich and bottle of Mountain Dew, I would tell customers they could make guaranteed returns on the $10 or $20 they were throwing into the crapper with lottery tickets, and everytime people would give the same stupid speech "yeah, but with this I might win $20 Million and I could quit my job" and it made Me sick that people were so ignorant to not see that the lottery is a hollow pipe-dream.

If people took an extra $5 and stuck it aside from a paycheck, and when they got up to $500 deposit it into E*Trade, and buy shares of corporations like Digital Angel, or Halliburton, they could make money and be on the inside of the companies who are helping screw over our nation. I have bought shares of both Verichip and Digital Angel lately, and while I do not have money enough for shares of Halliburton, it's on the list of companies.

For anyone who comes in later and suggests that we as citizens can't do it, that's the exact negative answer I expect of someone who has given up before even trying. People that sit by and wait for their lottery tickets to pay off are only deluding themselves into believing that the $10 they throw into lottery tickets will do anything more than fill some greedy corporations pockets, without a positive return. At least with stocks, you get a return for your money, and as well get information in order to be in the know.


When the citizens are stuck in the process of buying lottery tickets to wish they can be millionaires instead of actually investigating investments, I have to laugh that you, slackerwire would defend these idiots in office. I've made gains and losses that have made people look at Me because they wree amazed I'd made or lost more money than they made in a week, a month, or a year sometimes.



151 Congressmen Profit From War

151 Congressmen Derive Financial Profit From War:

Who profits from the Iraq war? More than a quarter of senators and congressmen have invested at least $196 million of their own money in companies doing business with the Department of Defense (DoD) that profit from the death and destruction in Iraq.


TOP TEN of the Enternally SHAMELESS:

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $3,001,006 to $5,015,001
• Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) $250,001 to $500,000
• Rep. Kenny Ewell Marchant (R-Tex.) $162,074 to $162,074
• Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.) $115,002 to $300,000
• Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) $115,002 to $300,000
• Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.) $100,870 to $100,870
• Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) $65,646 to $65,646
• Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) $50,008 to $227,000
• Rep. Sam Farr (D-Calif.) $50,001 to $100,000
• Rep. Stephen Ira Cohen (D-Tenn.) $45,003 to $150,000


slackerwire, if you really and truly think the way you do, you go ahead and believe that way, but as for Me, I'm going to respect our differences of opinion, and agree to disagree.


[edit on 30-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
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People with no marketable job skills simply don't deserve 10 bucks an hour.

Nor do they deserve 9.


How hard is it to fire a gun? I see 12 year olds in Africa firing guns it cant be to hard...you catch my drift? Who am I to tell someone their job is or isnt hard. If your a brain surgeon we can talk but like I pointed out look how much Tiger Woods makes. He hits a golf ball. Look what he gets paid to hit that golf ball. In a sense there are very few jobs out there I personally feel justifies the pay given. I own a decorative plumbing company. So I deserve the money I get? I just sell faucets. My point is if you do an "entry level job" you dont have to rake in the big bucks no and you shouldnt be able to roll in a BMW and have flat screens BUT you should be able to feed your family, provide a home, and pay for gas for your car. Right now were minimum wage is you cant do that. If there was no minimum wage you FOR SURE wouldnt be able to do it. History shows this how entry level people were exploited to the max. Yet they built some of our greatest buildings, some of our best roads/bridges, and some of our most beautiful parks.

I will concede this one point to you. That point is that it doesnt say ANYWHERE in the Constitution that businesses are required to give minimum wages. It doesnt. But as long as we have a FED who inflates money like it does you HAVE to have a minimum wage to keep up with the mad inflation and frankly it doesnt even do that.



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 12:05 AM
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OK, I'm going to throw a BS flag here. Either you are retarded, drunk, whacked out on the crack rock, or just intentionally being a doofus.

Post any quote where I have defended anyone in office.

I defend the rights of private business owners, and the Constitution. I do not defend politicians.

Incidentally, you may want to take some of that money that people were amazed you made so quickly and buy the latest edition of Hooked On Phonics. I would expect better from an alleged college graduate.

Just to clear up a little debate I'm having in a U2U, could you answer a few questions for me?

Are you obese?

Do you live with your parents?

Do you make less than 25k per year?



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by Swingarm
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I think there should definitely be a premium for danger pay. When I was mining it was dangerous and you got paid for it. It's that way with cops too.
Are you saying it shouldn't be? People will not do the job otherwise. I knew two people who got killed while I was working there in 8 years not to mention countless people injured by loose rock.


Sure their should be but the question becomes who pays for it? Its not like a company like BW is being funded by private money. Its MY money being used to pay these guys 100k a year to protect IRAQI people. Chuck that.

Private coal miners they deserve the big bucks. Miners risk their lives and the private sector pays for it. The BW scenerio is different because the government funds it.



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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If someone is so concerned with being able to provide for their family, dont you think they should have taken the initiative to get the skills needed to make more money?

The burden of providing for a family isnt on the business owner, it's on the individual employee. If the wages said employee makes aren't getting the job done, then its time for that employee to find a 2nd job.

I too am sickened by the amount of money that athletes make, but then I ask myself this question: Can anyone just walk up to a tee and drive a golf ball as far and as accurately as Tiger? No.

He makes so much because he is a draw for advertisers due to his unique skills.

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posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 12:10 AM
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I will concede this one point to you. That point is that it doesn't say ANYWHERE in the Constitution that businesses are required to give minimum wages. It doesn't. But as long as we have a FED who inflates money like it does you HAVE to have a minimum wage to keep up with the mad inflation and frankly it doesn't even do that.
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This is the point exactly. You can point fingers all day long and make yourself feel like a success. This whole issue is quite simply a symptom of a broken system. It's people deserve better. You wonder why theres such a huge appetite for china's goods. USA was known in the past for quality goods, is it still that way? I'm Canadian so I can't comment first hand but it sure doesn't seem that way.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by Swingarm]





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