Stop Raising The Minimum Wage & Stop Whining

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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 


OK so small buisness get a better cut than big buisness. Where do I sign up for this.


Personally, I think it's about time, that the large businesses were brought to their knees, it's about time they paid more taxes for more profits.

I would rescind N.A.F.T.A. and the soon to be in effect S.A.F.T.A.

I did a College assignment on this, and if I find it I'll post it here.

You know Cheney used to run Halliburton, right? The biggest oil company in Iraq right now. Profits, profits, everywhere, and where there profits to be made, Cheney and Bush are at the center of it, meanwhile our paychecks stay the same.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]




posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 09:48 PM
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i am one of those people who are just getting by. i have a wife and daughter but i always find work...i'm a workaholic so i need my wife to stop me from doing too much. i am still young though so i havn't found what i am good enough at to make a decent amount so i work long hours.
for those of you who don't think minimum wage should be raised, you don't think that people with #ty luck shouldn't get paid more as the value of the dollar decreases?
i live in mass, usa and i'm paying over 7 dollars for a pack of cigarettes and about 4 per gallon for my truck to get me to my construction jobs. so it is ok for prices to be raised on items but not the rate of pay for those of us less fortunate.
i dropped out of college to support my wife when i found out we were going to have a baby to get a job and support her. i have done quite a bit of work in the city and many of the people i encounter can't get a good paying job because of a criminal record or just are not smart enough to make it career wise.
i am just happy that i am intelligent and determined enough that i will make it in this life and i don't have to rely on a good deal of you to improve conditions.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 09:55 PM
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Exxon paid 30 BILLION in taxes last year. How much more do you think they should pay?




posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 09:59 PM
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reply to post by slackerwire
 


Bait and switch, anyone?

I mentioned Halliburton, not Exxon.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:02 PM
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Yeah well thats all fine, but there is about as much chance of that as getting rid of the banksters. You'd need to dawn you army suit and hit the street. Would you do that ? How many people would do that. nope , it's more like I'll do what ever you say just leave Me alone. It was 4% of the population in the civil war no?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Bait and switch, anyone?

I mentioned Halliburton, not Exxon.


You said:




that the large businesses were brought to their knees, it's about time they paid more taxes for more profits.


How much more should a large business like Exxon pay?

You avoided answering my questions regarding the Constitution preventing your little retarded fantasy here. Why?

You're not very good at this are you?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire


How much more should a large business like Exxon pay?

You avoided answering my questions regarding the Constitution preventing your little retarded fantasy here. Why?

You're not very good at this are you?


Im good at this so Ill go in his stead. The fact is you wont hear me wine for a company that gets backstopped like Exxon Mobil. Our tax dollar subsidize and pay for new stomping grounds for big oil like invading countries. Last I checked that wasnt to cheap.

As far as other big companies like oh say the banks who are getting bailed out left right and center. The pay the rate of around 30%. But yet when times are hard MY tax dollars goes to bail them out. Also keep in mind this is on PROFITS which means after you pay all the execs the 10s of millions and all the Washington politicians off whats left over they get taxed.

See Im pretty good at this. Probably not good to pick on people not well versed in economics.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by mybigunit]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire

How much more should a large business like Exxon pay?

You avoided answering my questions regarding the Constitution preventing your little retarded fantasy here. Why?

You're not very good at this are you?


Damn..... ppl always seem to run off when ya hit 'em w/ logic.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:12 PM
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And you picked the lowest common denominator out of all the oil companies on purpose.

Minimum Wage should be higher period. I'm not ignoring you, getting back to the topic at hand, Minimum Wage.

The oil companies all make money in other places, by opening businesses that take a cut, and charge them money taking percentages of the profits off before it get back directly to Halliburton, Exxon, British Petroleum, they all do it.

Shell companies galore in the process before those large companies have to actually trickle down the paychecks, since their all paying companies like Blackwater big money to protect them.

Minimum Wage needs to be higher, and big business needs to recognize that, period.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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Since youre so good at it, any chance you could answer the question?

How much more should large companies like Exxon pay in taxes?

The first quarter of this year, Exxon paid 49% of their quarterly gross income. Is half not enough?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by slackerwire

How much more should a large business like Exxon pay?

You avoided answering my questions regarding the Constitution preventing your little retarded fantasy here. Why?

You're not very good at this are you?


Damn..... ppl always seem to run off when ya hit 'em w/ logic.


Wow, what a large assuming ability you have there.

Maybe I wanted to actually eat something instead of listening to him spout off in defending corporations.

Since slackerwire has previosly stated elsewhere within ATS he used to work for Blackwater, it stands to reason he's a Republican.

If I'm wrong, I'll apologize in advance, slackerwire. Sorry.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by mybigunit
 


Since youre so good at it, any chance you could answer the question?

How much more should large companies like Exxon pay in taxes?

The first quarter of this year, Exxon paid 49% of their quarterly gross income. Is half not enough?


Well if your asking me honestly Exxon shouldnt pay more they pay about their share but youll NEVER hear me cry they are paying to much because they are not. BUT in a Mybigunit administration part of getting rid of individual income taxes would be raising the corporate tax rates to around 40%. BUT because the consumer will have ALL of their money in their pocket the actual income for these companies will raise so the raise in taxes wont really affect the corporations. Exxon pays enough and they should for all the government assistance they get but there are quite a few fortune 500 companies that need to start paying their share and Id start with the financials.





[edit on 29-7-2008 by mybigunit]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Damn..... ppl always seem to run off when ya hit 'em w/ logic.


Wow, what a large assuming ability you have there.

Maybe I wanted to actually eat something instead of listening to him spout off in defending corporations.

point taken



Since slackerwire has previosly stated elsewhere within ATS he used to work for Blackwater, it stands to reason he's a Republican.

If I'm wrong, I'll apologize in advance, slackerwire. Sorry.


I'll bite.
Doesn't change my mind on the topic though.

I don't know much about it other than it is a private military group something or other that is funded largely in part by the gov't.

I mean, what does that have to do w/ how anyone would view the minimum wage being constitutional or unconstitutional? Educate me by all means on what it has to do w/ the current topic.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:39 PM
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The point with that comment was clear, although maybe not to you, that he's worked for the big corporations who give huge paychecks.

Essentially said, he's just trying to bait people into an arguement to take it off the topic of minimum wage, but he's not very well versed in bushwhacks as I knew what it was for what it was as soon as I saw him ramping it up.

This thread is on Minimun Wage, and I'm not getting a warning for being off topic.

justamomma, follow the Collusion thread in My signature, or even the Blackwater one, you'll see in the Collusion one I know a lot more about how the economy, and in the Blackwater one slackerwire and I have a history.

*We Now Return You To Low Wages, High Taxes, And Being Screwed By Your Government*

[edit on 29-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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I have read your thread about it and I went and looked for some more information as well and honestly, it kind of sounds like they are more or less security guards. Could be wrong, but it seems to me like some of what is said about them is hype brought on by the political parties on either side.

anyway, now.........


Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

*We Now Return You To Low Wages, High Taxes, And Being Screwed By Your Government*

[edit on 29-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 10:57 PM
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As Ron Paul has said time and time again. He would get rid of the income tax and the federal reserve. It boggles my mind that this platform goes ignored by the American populace. I'm Canadian and I'm excited by this platform.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Swingarm
reply to post by mybigunit
 


As Ron Paul has said time and time again. He would get rid of the income tax and the federal reserve. It boggles my mind that this platform goes ignored by the American populace. I'm Canadian and I'm excited by this platform.


Yeah the income tax is a form of slavery. PERIOD. You are going to take a free individuals money and spend it on crap that most people will never see the benefits of. Most of our tax dollars anymore go to benefits the corporations in one fashion or another so its only fair that they pay the taxes. I own a corporation and that doesnt hurt my feelings a bit.

It gets ignored by the people because we have a land of sheeple. They think that getting rid of the income tax is like some weird and crazy thing that can never happen. Sure it can. Go to the constitution and run your government accordingly. Get rid of the fed and coin and set the value of your own currency. Sounds like common sense to you and me but not to the sheeple.





posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas



Minimum Wage should be higher period.


You have failed to provide any substantiating evidence to back up that claim. Then again, given that you think profits should be "regulated", it stands to reason you are a low income supporter of socialist ideas like income redistribution.



Minimum Wage needs to be higher, and big business needs to recognize that, period.


Why not open your own business and pay your employees exponentially more than minimum wage?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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LMAO. Thanks for using My humor to bring the topic back to Minimum Wage.

Blackwater are high paid Security Guards, sucking off the D.O.D. and Pentagon.

Anyone who previously worked for them, doesn't know much about living on Minimum Wage.

I've talked to someone about the possibility of going to Afghanistan in "private security", for up to $10,000 a month, so I know what they can potentially get paid, and it's not Minimum Wage, that's for sure.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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Wow, still mouthing off about that, huh?

Minimum Wage is a topic where if you don't work for it, or never have worked for it, or forgot what it was like working for it, you will never understand or respect anyone else's opinion on it.

I've worked for Minimum Wage and worked for a lot higher than that, and no matter what, I will never forget what it takes to work 2 to 3 jobs to make a living.

I've never once said anything even remotely sponsoring economic redistribution, I was specifying that it should be better for the man and woman on the low end of the totem pole.

There's a distinct difference, and I am not socialist, no way, no how.

I'm neither right-wing, or left-wing, I'm in the middle.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]





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