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Originally posted by Manincloak
$6.55 is far too low. Minimum wage in Australia is $14.31 as of this year, and most places pay around $20/h anyway.
And you can't judge people - ie. "Don't pop out kids", that is simply a stupid statement to make.
Originally posted by MegaTherion
1. 'poor people shouldn't have kids, they should use protection/abortion'
so, are you saying you support funding family planning, and keeping abortion legal, or possibly making abortion covered by medicaid? Because the programs we did have were cut all to hell. and also, sex ed in schools is nonexistent. I know, I was still in school when they started taking that stuff out.
2. 'it's always a poor person's fault that their life is messed up'
so you think if you give up a few bucks to help out the guy under you, you'll be hurting?
but like I said, I'm making it, and I'm not complaining, I just don't want my future kids to have to live in a world where that kind of thing can even possibly happen, much less routinely happen.
Originally posted by MegaTherion
in reply to your comment on item 1. :
how's that workin' out for ya?
about this 'me me me' stuff:
ever hear of social responsibility and CIVIC DUTY?
you obviously don't understand the concept of GOVERNMENT.
we all put our money in the pot so as to help each other. that's called Taxation.
so, if you think you have no responsibility for anyone else, and no one has responsibility for you, then you don't get to use MY police force, that I paid for with MY tax dollars.
you have to go buy your own cop. you don't get to use anything public, because you don't think anyone needs a hand up or is owed anything.
Originally posted by MegaTherion
so let me know when you stop spending MY money on YOUR protection.
I don't need to be paying for YOUR kids safety or schools and I don't need to be paying for YOUR retirement, or any of the other public services you feel are OWED to you.
Originally posted by MegaTherion
I can't believe you say I'm paying for your enslavement.
you just try Anarchy for a week or so.
you really think the world would be better as a medeival society?
because that's what you are proposing, and that leads to Feudalism.
the ultimate end of Conservative thought and Capitalism, in the extreme, is Feudalism.
you want slaves, do you?
that's what happens when the employer picks the wage.
not having a minimum wage is a slippery slope to slavery and indentured servtude.
maybe I'll employ your kids and make them work for pennies a day, 20 hours a day? and toss 'em out the back door when they aren't productive anymore.
it's not my responsibility.
By thinking you are somehow separate from reality, that is all of us and your environment, you are being not only childish in your notions, but also extremely dangerous to society.
but I'm not going to argue with you anymore.
you just have it your way with this Anarchy of yours, this statelessness, and see how you like Chinese Rule.
I have never said that all capitalism and all socialism are right, or wrong.
there must be a balance.
If you don't care for anyone other than just yourself, or just your family, then no one is going to bail you out when you need help.
in fact, if the markets crash, and your job goes away, don't come around my place looking for a job, or looking for a handout, I'll just sit back and laugh.
do you understand what I'm getting at?
probably not.
just go dig up another 30 quotes.
let Dead People think your thoughts for you.
Originally posted by justamomma
You are not spending your money on my protection, you are spending your money on all of our enslavement. thanks a lot
And I quite agree w/ your last statement! just one thing.. I don't feel that I am owed anything.. not by you, not by joe bloe and certainly not by the government. What I am owed in life is what I got inside my mother's womb. everything else, I must and have worked for!
Originally posted by dbates
Run this idea out to it's extreme and see how it works. Why don't we just cut to the chase and set minimum wage at $1,000,000 ( 1 million dollars) a year? That way we'd all be millionaires right? Why not? Well, because it devalues the dollar. A burger and fries would cost you $500 - $1,000 if you got paid that much? Why? Because it would mean that the owner would have to spend $3 million a year just to employ a shift of 3 workers.
I suspect that the minimum wage hike is simply a liberal tactic to make the poor feel better. "Yeah! I got a raise". Right, but the price of everything just went up. Eventually mid-level employees will get a cost of living allowance raise, and managers will get paid more to keep up. The final result will be that the same cost ratio will be in place for everyone. It's just a shell game.
Originally posted by forthepeople
But you still had help from family and friends which you admitted see the hypocrisy in this? I sure as hell do. If you were all into the I need no help, its all on me idea you would have turned their help down or not have asked for it.
PS i think you were asked twice in this thread what exactly you do for a living ohh self employed one. And it still hasnt been answered I think you are full of ,, well you know. You are full of $%$%
Me? Im in the party rental business. I rent out party tents, and equioment for weddings, get togethers and stuff and i pay my laborers good money cause im not stingy. And they work hard make me a lot of money setting up huge tents, tabes and chairs and i share the wealth.
Originally posted by dbates
reply to post by mybigunit
It's true, but raising the minimum wage doesn't help anything. It just accelerates the price jump in products and services. It's the equivalent of taking air out of your left tire when your right tire is running low. If you just focus on the tires on the right side you'll feel better about the situation. If you're looking at the whole picture you'll see that it accomplishes nothing.
The overall increase in goods is more about energy costs than anything. At best this is a (very) short-term solution.