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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 09:15 PM by prevenge
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Originally posted by Johnmike
So just see what the doctor says about it. Don't even ask for a diagnosis, just let him see it. Then you can call up medical schools around you and
ask them if they'd like to see it - you're bound to find at least one interested professor, or one that'll entertain you. You can personally
progress medical science. It's selfish not to.
And no, this has nothing to do with "activating" strands of DNA, or junk DNA. At least none of the twelve-strand nonsense that is repeated
sometimes.
Just let some medical researchers (that's what medical professors usually are) check it out. Forget any other symptoms, you have something
tangible.
Supposedly.
Also, www.cdc.gov...
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lol you're making a complete a$$ of yourself.
When this first happened to me, I went to ear nose throat doctors, general physicians, neurologists, emergency rooms, had 2 MRI's had a complete
nerve scan. Had my blood analyzed 3 times, the last of which, they will not disclose the findings, which I am involved in litigation over.
You think i just sat on my ass and did nothing?
What you think I enjoyed sitting in an apartment suffering and wouldn't seek help initially?
I now have over 3 grand in medical bills to pay, and am unemployed.
And yes, I got the "delusional " stamp, but the gov and Kaiser are studying the artifacts from people's bodies and changes in their blood.
This all began two years ago, out of nowhere. Bam.
You've got a lot of opinions on a subject you have no idea about, and claim to have proof that what we're presenting as plausible rumored reasoning
as impossible.
I think you should shut your mouth on the subject out of respect for yourself.
"go to a doctor maaaan" "hey don't be selfish maaan, progress our science maaan"
lol someone get this guy a megaphone and a scepter.
he can go play king know it all in the corner with the other kids with paper cone-caps.
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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 10:11 PM by Levita
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Sigh~ I don't suppose any of you philosophers would think of taking a second to consider answering one of the few questions i asked?
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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 10:56 PM by prevenge
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Originally posted by Levita
I read this thread. I like what some of you have to say, seeing both material and spiritual sides. And i have to ask a few things:
~What if menguard IS right, and "activating" the 'junk' DNA would actually kill you? Though that would mean an advancement up to the fourth
dimension, what if it killed you? And what if activation of some strange gene brought about a painful change that did kill you? What are you hoping to
unlock by activation of the DNA? Psychic powers? A set of angel wings? "We" aren't angels. Metaphysics interests me, and science fascinates me,
finding out how everything works. But remember that we are talking about PHYSICAL DNA here. Opening of the chakras- energy centers-metaphysical- is
used to open psychic capabilities, am i right? So, Why DNA- physical- what do you hope to activate?
But then, on the other hand, why have there been crop circles in cross shapes, and what would happen if one was to meditate lying in a crop circle?
Also, i would like to ask something here: had anyone directly seen a crop circle? I have only watched shows about them, where the people always say
the real ones have orbs of energy in them. If that's so... are those orbs found in the exact center of the crop circle?
Watch the video in the "morgellons is the 2012 DNA change" link in my signature, Levita.
Barbara, the narrarator... in 1992 wrote what she's saying..
The .."change" she presents.. i something that doesn't just "bam on 2012 happy day you're now enlightened".. etc..
it s a slow change.. and if your body is weak.. and if you can't handle it.. emotionally.. and mentally and physically.. your body will be
destroyed.. she supposedly says.
many of the people I've met, whether they like to admit it or not.. are excruciating agony and mental distress.
many many .. almost 100% of people I've known through meeting people online that have the same symptoms of "morgellons" (great people though)..
SMOKE CIGARETTES..
many drink a lot of coffee and soda. Because you get very very tired, and to actually function at a job, is next to impossible when you're going
through this, if you're already unhealthy... without CAFFEINE... this can make the body very acidic.
I don't know of many I can think of that exercise.
I'm not saying take caffeine.. I'm only explaining why so much is consumed.. leading to acidic bodies..
in the video... it says to work with your body to oxygenate it.. to drink a tremendous amount of pure filtered water. (not bottled crap.. not
tap)..
get a good amount of body work done.. to work in and release the toxins .. and let your body grow in a positive manner through it all.
being in good shape and having a very healthy lifestyle is paramount during this change.
yeah.. this massive change... the feeling of vibrations all through your body..constantly... the sensation of "growing"..."expanding".. in the
center of your skull.. the sensation of something moving under your skin... (new nerves) ...
literally.. hair moving on its own.. and changing in appearance... from it's regular state.. to a copper-ish.. "mother of pearl" sheen when in the
sunlight..
and the most prominently amazing affect.. the violent vibration of the space in yoru forehead at the top of your nose bridge right between your
eyes.. laying in bed at night.. you'll feel it PULSATE RAPIDLY.. such that you can actually reach up and feel the muscle/skin righ tthere rapidly
spasming...
3rd eye anyone??
these are all very odd and astounding things to go through all at once.
... i mean.. that all.. and the moving clear fibers and geometric glitter.
take care of yourself.. keep yourself grounded with friends and loved ones to support you.. and get a head start on it.. don't let it catch you when
you're unhealthy .. if you are..
take on a severely responsible outlook on taking care of your body.
so that when you go through it.. your body will be able to work with it..
good question.
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reply posted on 28-7-2008 @ 11:13 PM by buds84
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Well to answer your first question menguard is not the one who said activating your DNA will kill you, John said that and he's stuck in a one frame
mind where the physical world it's just a one big solid 3D world and dead is dead nothing more.
For the other questions about why someone would want to activate their DNA there are lots of benefits, you can just search on google for DNA
activation and check, unless someone wants to post the huge list.
The main benefit being able to evolve instead of devolving like we currently are.(Not physically devolving but our peoples brains are getting dumber
and dumber while technology is getting more advanced)
I personally think people were smarter many years ago and maybe even in ancient civilizations.
I agree with menguard as I have read from many places the talk about DNA activation is the next step to evolve and it does seem aliens have been
trying to tell us this for a while now.
I recommend watching Spiritworld DVD to get a better idea on things the government would not like you to know.
you can get the torrent here:
www.filefactory.com...
or you can search for the horrid quality google video version.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 06:05 AM by Valorian
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Originally posted by Johnmike
And no, this has nothing to do with "activating" strands of DNA, or junk DNA. At least none of the twelve-strand nonsense that is repeated
sometimes.
[edit on 28-7-2008 by Johnmike]
I need to ask - do you have solid proof that it is not the 12 starnds of DNA - I mean you need to back that statement up with some proof to the
contrary??
Would like to know
thanks
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 10:09 AM by menguard
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Originally posted by menguard
reply to post by prevenge
I have a theory that - Morgellons disease is really people that are in an (engineered body) while here on Earth, sound crazy maybe not.
In one of Dolores Cannons books she speaks of a female that has wires all throughout her body, that is not of Earth. She is a reptillian experiencing
simultaneous lives. She says things aren't allowed to happen to her for the exact reasons of being exploited. To pass this off as some disease is
just rediculous.
Sounds like some of these beings are being nabbed by the medical Community and being written off as some disease, hilarious. Not really.
The lady they spoke of thats living (simulataneous lives) are the ones going to exploit the ones in power.
This might be of help to you.
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Wow, do I have something to tell all of you, well that book I speak of up there in the paragraph, I was taking a shower, I set that book down right in
the bathroom, the book is now GONE. I asked my little girls where the book and showed them the color, my oldest daughters response," Monsters came
and took it into the sun with her, she flew through the door and took it." So now that I have searched everywhere this book is in another timespace,
apparently that information is not ready to be outted.
Serious as a heart-attack.
Weird now I found the book, it's on the bed under pillows, either my kids got an imagination or something like that has happened before. That and or
I misplaced the book, which I don't thinks the case but is also a probability.
Sorry guys, false alarm, but what the daughters talking about is interesting.
I don't talk space talk around the kids so that is interesting what the daughter said.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 10:21 AM by TruthTellist
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Come on. Asking someone to prove a negative? Are you serious?
We can do better than that.
How about our missing chromosomes? Now that's good evidence.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 10:33 AM by Valorian
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Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by Valorian
Come on. Asking someone to prove a negative? Are you serious?
We can do better than that.
How about our missing chromosomes? Now that's good evidence.
Proof is proof no which way you cut it, if you have read the other posts by this memeber JohnMike, you will notice that they are requiring proof on
all items of discussion - so my reply was prove that the OP is in fact in-correct.
What's so out of line with that?
It may sound cynical but can we not challenge a challenge back?
Proving a negative is sometimes easier than proving the positive in this day and age.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 11:01 AM by menguard
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This is something else I am going to talk on, I was in a grocery store and one of my space guides switched frequencies in my brain which is
alternating the electrical current in the head that allowed me to see through objects, including clothing, that was at first scary being I went blind
for a few seconds and couldn't see, at all then my vision split and I could see inside of things, so you tell me is the time of mans re-arrangement
of self and Identity coming you bet.
Xray vision is real, it's switching the brainwaves around in the head, I felt as though I had something on my head, when I could see through
things, perhaps this was just the halo they were manipulating.
But I could LITERALLY SEE THROUGH THINGS. I could see through solid objects. Like walls and such.
In a sense you could say our world is a Holographic Projection through a different mode of perception.
I am living proof of that experiment.
They did this to either embarrass me in public or to make me aware it was both. My face was red.
That experiment of course becoming something beyond the normal range of human. And maybe we are learning what it is to see as space beings see.
I remember some native american guy saying "Todays white man is tommorrows Green man"
Perhaps, but I know this isn't just happening in the White race. It's happening all over the world.
Was the 'mode of perception' Extraterrestrial Vision, and how they see the world.
When my vision was altered I could definately see the light differential when it was being changed it changed green for a (split second) and then
everything turned normal light but transparent.
It is like you are viewing everything optically through four lenses, then everything from the sides known as peripheral vision came into the front.
You decide who WE are ? Are we just a bunch of extraterrestrials under this holographic projection of human flesh.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 01:55 PM by menguard
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Originally posted by menguard
This is something else I am going to talk on, I was in a grocery store and one of my space guides switched frequencies in my brain which is
alternating the electrical current in the head that allowed me to see through objects, including clothing, that was at first scary being I went blind
for a few seconds and couldn't see, at all then my vision split and I could see inside of things, so you tell me is the time of mans re-arrangement
of self and Identity coming you bet.
Xray vision is real, it's switching the brainwaves around in the head, I felt as though I had something on my head, when I could see through
things, perhaps this was just the halo they were manipulating.
But I could LITERALLY SEE THROUGH THINGS. I could see through solid objects. Like walls and such.
In a sense you could say our world is a Holographic Projection through a different mode of perception.
I am living proof of that experiment.
They did this to either embarrass me in public or to make me aware it was both. My face was red.
That experiment of course becoming something beyond the normal range of human. And maybe we are learning what it is to see as space beings see.
I remember some native american guy saying "Todays white man is tommorrows Green man"
Perhaps, but I know this isn't just happening in the White race. It's happening all over the world.
Was the 'mode of perception' Extraterrestrial Vision, and how they see the world.
When my vision was altered I could definately see the light differential when it was being changed it changed green for a (split second) and then
everything turned normal light but transparent.
It is like you are viewing everything optically through four lenses, then everything from the sides known as peripheral vision came into the front.
You decide who WE are ? Are we just a bunch of extraterrestrials under this holographic projection of human flesh.
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Added some more to this, hope this enlightens a few. We are undercover to ourselves in this frequency.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 04:38 PM by Johnmike
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Originally posted by Valorian
I need to ask - do you have solid proof that it is not the 12 starnds of DNA - I mean you need to back that statement up with some proof to the
contrary??
Would like to know
Because we know that human DNA is 2-stranded? Simple processes like DNA replication, transcription, and even the molecule itself would fall apart.
The double helix is a double helix because two linear strands are bound together. It's a molecule, a chemical, not some magical data storage device
(though it is pretty much a magical data storage device as a chemical...). 12-stranded DNA sounds cool to children and pseudo-scientists trying to
sound intelligent, but the silly person in this thread has yet to discuss the chemical structure of such a molecule (what nucleotides, how would it be
bound, what about the backbone, and the phosphate group?). And has yet to discuss how the body's enzymes would be able to handle such a molecule.
Why? Because the people screaming about 12-stranded DNA and other pseudo-science have no idea how it even works and are absolutely incapable of
defending their hypothesis.
Originally posted by Valorian
Proof is proof no which way you cut it, if you have read the other posts by this memeber JohnMike, you will notice that they are requiring proof on
all items of discussion - so my reply was prove that the OP is in fact in-correct.
Well, you're pretty silly for asking me to prove a negative as was already pointed out, but, like... What do you want me to do? Explain to you the
structure of human DNA? Explain how DNA is synthesized, or the central dogma, or what? This is really simple molecular biology and I'm not sure
what you want me to do.
As for how we sequence DNA, you can look at seqcore.brcf.med.umich.edu... .
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 04:59 PM by menguard
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Last I checked the brain fires electrical signals all through out the body, but what happens when that field of energy in between those signals
change. The heart has the Largest Electromagnetic Field in the whole body.
Nerves register data through electrical signals/vibrations. Electrodes send these signals to the brain.
There is more then one brain in the body.
You could say the heart is one hell of an bio-electric circuit.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 06:30 PM by Tha Joker
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I just got done reading through this whole thread and I have to say, johnmike, my hat is off to you. Thanks for bringing logic, reason and most
importantly knowledge to this ridiculous topic. In all the pages of this whole entire mess of a thread, you are the only one to have brought proof of
your claims to the table.
Muzzleflash was right. Why don't you guys crack a book and append your knowledge instead of disgarding any information that does not fit into
your theories? It really doesn't take that long to learn how DNA really works, and once armed with that knowledge, you would realize how ridiculous
this thread really is. Seriously. Each additional claim to refute johnmike's science grows more ludicrous by the page. Some of you even
refute his claims saying he can't do it because he doesn't believe and other rubbish. This is all good if your living in Never Never Land, but here
in reality, the idea of junk DNA is absurd.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 07:39 PM by Cyberbian
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I believe he is referring to Buckminster Fullers Synergetics and the closest packing of spheres force vector matrices as being the architecture of the
universe when he refers to "Pyramids" Icosahedra and such.
The layers and numbers seem to indicate that as the probable origin of this mess.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 09:39 PM by Johnmike
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Originally posted by menguard
Last I checked the brain fires electrical signals all through out the body, but what happens when that field of energy in between those signals
change. The heart has the Largest Electromagnetic Field in the whole body.
Nerves register data through electrical signals/vibrations. Electrodes send these signals to the brain.
There is more then one brain in the body.
You could say the heart is one hell of an bio-electric circuit.
Well I'm not going to verify that the heart has the largest, but it doesn't matter, because yeah, the heart is one hell of a bio-electric circuit.
Reading EKGs was part of my BIO 150 course and it's really fascinating how electric currents effect cardiac muscle that way. Nerves send it through
chemicals and electric signals...wouldn't say vibrations at all, it's not vibrations. Electrical and chemical signals, yeah. Our nerves are pretty
amazing, myelin and all.
As for more than one brain...sort of. There's the gut brain, which is the enteric nervous system, but it's not really a thinking brain as much as a
nerve bundle the processes information. Very cool once again...if I don't specialize in cellular and molecular bioengineering (which is easier to do
with pre-med and the minors I want), I'll do it in bioelectricity. Especially considering I was an electrical engineering major until I went all
touchy and humanistic.
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Thanks Joker, it means a lot. I don't really want to discredit theories and encourage closed-mindedness, but there's so much made up crap
masquerading as science that I feel that I should at least introduce some logic. Alternative and even your own theories are great, but they really
have to be supported by fact... otherwise you're just making # up. And that hurts the rest of us, who are really trying to work on new theories and
eventually get closer to the truth.
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reply posted on 29-7-2008 @ 09:56 PM by Tha Joker
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I completely agree. I'm not one to support closed mindedness either, but I'm referring to the original point and title of the
article... activating your junk dna. It is impossible to physically alter your DNA without harming yourself. Impossible. There
is no way around it. No if's and's or but's. It's like you said, bombard yourself with Gamma Ray's and see what happens. I'll bet you won't
turn into the Incredible Hulk.
I wholeheartedly support meditation and do it myself. I have even enjoyed the benefits of it, but those benefits are not a result of altering your
DNA. That is complete malarkey. And "your plasma is in the sun?" Come on people...really though.
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reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 12:29 AM by menguard
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You don't have to because if one were ever able to see the inside of a persons energy body, you would see that its the largest.
Not all science will register, what's out there, to complicate things further you cannot top the Nano-technology of an alien species, but that dna
correlates to something so small and minute it comes from a spiritual helix.
Science helps on some topics and complicates others. If one knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that there body is just that a thoughtform, think of the
wonders that they can do.
Also everything that I know is imprinted inside my kids dna, can't beat that. That's called cellular coding, not by genetics, but by the lightcodes.
My light imprinted their cells.
And so you will find out eventually one day, the heart is the interdimensional gateway that propells us out into space, which is nothing more then
consciousness, see while the scientist will play with his technology, a spiritoligist knows he is already been there.
While one trys to configure the science from and external mechanism, the real science comes from an internal one.
JohnMike just curious have you ever experienced anything outside of the linearworld? Anything at ALL.
The cell of nucluetide is all you need to replicate something out there in space. That's called cloning.
Not all people that you see on the street are all people, some are spirits walking amongst us, some are visitors, some are just engineered bodies,
some are Masters.
But science won't tell you that when your walking by, but your awareness will. But you gotta start somewhere.
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reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 01:03 AM by Johnmike
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Originally posted by menguard
Not all science will register, what's out there, to complicate things further you cannot top the Nano-technology of an alien species, but that dna
correlates to something so small and minute it comes from a spiritual helix.
Science helps on some topics and complicates others. If one knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that there body is just that a thoughtform, think of the
wonders that they can do.
"Science" isn't a set of beliefs. It's almost insulting that you're using it like that. Science is simply the application of logic to your
understanding of the world around you. Do you believe in something? Why? Is your reasoning valid, can you back it up? That's science - along with
questioning things you would normally accept.
Originally posted by menguard
JohnMike just curious have you ever experienced anything outside of the linearworld? Anything at ALL.
Depends on how you mean it. I haven't hallucinated, or seen anything, if that's what you mean. I've had strange coincidences, I've gotten
through things against powerful odds, but that's about it. Nothing magical, and nothing proveable. Just like everyone else.
Originally posted by menguard
The cell of nucluetide is all you need to replicate something out there in space. That's called cloning.
Oh, Christ, you don't even know what a nucleotide is. Do you really mean to tell me that through this whole time you haven't spent ten minutes just
learning what the basic structure of DNA is?
I'm not going to write a textbook page just to rid you of your own ignorance. Spend five minutes on Wikipedia to do that.
...But...in the universe, we have atoms. Right? Okay, these atoms are bound together to form molecules. These molecules are things like water, like
soap, alcohol... These molecules are compounds of atoms. Then these molecules are held together to make solids and liquids, due to a couple kinds of
forces I'm not going into (hydrogen bonding, london dispersion, polar...). That's why you can't move your hand through a solid cup.
Then we have organic molecules. The body uses these. They're just the same as water, basically. DNA is a molecule like this. But it's important
to your body, and is very large and complex. Like proteins. In fact, scientists before Watson and Crick used to believe that DNA was a protein!
Now, DNA is made of many, many atoms. While water has three, a DNA molecule has thousands! This is very, very long. What we do is break it down
into parts. I'm not going into the exact structure, but the "sides" of the ladder are the backbone to the DNA. This doesn't contain any
information.
Connected to each side of the ladder (half of each "step" if you know what I mean) is a nucleotide - and this nucleotide pairs up with another
specific nucleotide on the other end. Like a lock and a key. These nucleotides are what our genes are made of - your genetic code. Your body can
copy it during cell division by unraveling your DNA helix (well, the section that is going to be copies), breaking it apart, and reading and copying
the code, all using enzymes! Look up mitosis for more details.
Now, remember how I said that each nucleotide pairs up with another? That means that each side of the double helix, each side of the ladder, has
the same exact genetic code. Even if you had 12 strands (and you don't), it would be the same exact genetic information! The only reason we
have two stranded linear DNA instead of circular, single-stranded DNA like bacteria, is that it's a data backup! Like a RAID 1 array, if you're
familiar with data mirroring. Your body is constantly scanning your DNA with enzymes. And since DNA can be damaged, through radiation, errors in
cell division, and so on, these enzymes can detect nucleotide mismatches and repair your genetic code using the information from the undamaged side.
Amazing!
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reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 01:23 AM by menguard
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That's where you are wrong, its a set of theories, which with everything is, and a thoughtform, which once based into the global consciousness
becomes reality, this may go beyond your understanding but not mine.
"Do you actually learn from somebody else's tool or from your own"
They give you a series of events that lead you to only one path a domain, that is only based on the confines of linear mechanics. Go outside that and
I guarantee you occupy, a space without time.
The only reason we can be hurt or killed is because the mass consciousness believes that to be the majority rule.
We are thoughtforms therefore we can be treated as such, taken in and out of the mind of Earth.
See now when that energy patterning shifts that means the result will be different.
We are spirits in dense bodies, nothing more.
But eventually these dense bodies will be made out of pure light.
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reply posted on 30-7-2008 @ 03:46 AM by iiinvision
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look at my signature....
to quote the late great pink floyd , " All you touch and all you see, is all your life will ever be"
throughout this entire thread, plenty of info has been submitted to you to check out what we are talking about, but you ignore it and focus on
individual interpretation.
Dna activation is a symbol for metamorphosis. A symbol, not a concrete fact. It won't be proven and there won't be a big fanfare for the truth.
Tell me why the cure for cancer and aids has been suppressed for so long??
While you waste time looking for proof, you are getting left behind in the dust...
logic is important and a great tool. But as the dude in the foreground in your avatar said, intuition is more important than logic.
quantum physics...
check it out
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