Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm really glad to see so many people here in this thread supporting Obama's speech. Just wanted to say that. It usually seems to be a core group of us who are "sticking up" for him and everyone else is hating on him. So that's nice to know that you're out there, even though you don't always post. And that's ok. I totally understand that.

And thank you, highfreq for posting the speech! I've seen snippets, but I'm going to watch it later.

I also found it interesting that McCain sort of dissed Obama for speaking in Berlin, saying he would love to give a speech in Germany, but would prefer to do it as president rather than as a candidate.

My question is WHY? What's wrong with speaking outside the country as a candidate? McCain did it. Why, now that it's Obama doing it, it's a big deal and better to wait till he's president? What a lame diss. I'm sorry, he's sounding like a pouting, whining baby. He goaded Obama about taking a trip and when Obama does it, he's pissy about it. It's just lame. Grow up.

I guess I am a liberal terrorist unpatriotic socialist trader _____ ______ ______ ______...
Hah funny thing is I was not going to vote for OBAMA until I realized how exceptionally psycho you far right patriotic freedom lovers are getting...

If you stay in power for one more term we are going to be as poor as MEXICO and as twisted as the Nazis.

You guys abused me HERE once to often,,,, keep up the good work, you'll single handedly get OBAMA elected with your compulsive talking points and name calling... just call a couple more middle of the roaders some more names.

is OBAMA paying you???

OBAMA OR DEATH 08 - (my first endorsement!)

Originally posted by Perplexed
Isn't it ironic that Osama is apologizing ...
...
This Muslim has no class at all…

And you speak of Irony? No class, huh?

Originally posted by anyone
I think that McCain is referring to the kind of speech Obama is giving, one to a mass audience. He is probably just jealous that his campaign staff didn't have him do the same thing.

They couldn't. 200,000 people would not show up anywhere to hear McCain speak. But he did give a speech outside the US on June 20th. And his campaign paid for the trip. SO I don't see what he's moaning about.

My point for starting this thread is that Obama and his campaign really have been innovative in the way the campaign has been going.

His campaign is really incredible. I would LOVE to be working on his campaign. They're doing a fantastic job!

What a great speech! I just listened to it. And I think it will be remembered.

What I'm hearing from the right is they don't like the "world" citizen line. Well Reagan the god of all that is right wing opened a speech at the UN by saying "I have come to speak to you today as an american and a global citizen." He wasn't flamed for that.And to point out the faults of america got em pissed as well.To mention that america has not lived up to it's promise on somethings is wrong? It's true so live with it.This country's goverment has done some great things.This country's has done some terrible things. To over look that fact is crazy.We have given billions of dollars for AIDS in africa. We also turned dogs and water hoses on our own people fighting for their rights. Take the good with the bad an live with it.

Haters ya gotta love em

Lets hope he isnt called anti patriotic for making speeches on foreign soil.

Originally posted by Tricky63
To mention that america has not lived up to it's promise on somethings is wrong? It's true so live with it.This country's goverment has done some great things.This country's has done some terrible things. To over look that fact is crazy.

Haters ya gotta love em

Yes, it is funny the deluded way in which some Americans view the U.S. They are the ones using a pedestal, a pedestal with a broken leg taped up with duct tape.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by anyone]

im from germany / berlin and i really was impressed ...nice speech yes.

all the people cheer ..his karma is brilliant.

Obama was selling a world government. People are best governed by themselves in small groups. That is the principle the U.S. was founded on.

First governed is the individual: You must govern your own activities, appetites and relations.

Second Group, the Family: The family must work together to care for the whole unit.

Third Group, community: This could be a town or city. The people of the group decide how it should be governed relating to taxes, zoning, education and transportation.etc.

Fourth Group -State: The state decides the norms, determined by the traditions and goals of the residents. The state can determine taxes, laws and regulate commerce.
etc

Fifth group, the Sovereign Nation: Determines citizenshp, protects God Given rights, establishes and protects borders. etc

Only a non thinking person would give up all these rights for a World Government where a small elite govern the actions of everyone, where no one has an opportunity to affect the policies.

The larger the government the less people can participate. That is an erosion of rights. Obama is bad for America...those of you who are sold on his oratory skills...read what he has said and see how empty it is. His mother was an anthropologist and that is how Obama sees the world, he observes, analyzes and wants to go in and fix everything for us...that is not American.

You will never here Obama speak in favor of the US Constitution or personal Liberty

You will never here Obama speak in favor of the US Constitution or personal Liberty

Absolutely true. Obama has yet to do so and don't expect him to in the future.

His Father was a Muslim (his half-brothers all are) and his mother was an Anthropologist.

Obama is clearly Marxist and will slowly take your freedoms if President. You think Bush was/is bad, Obama is a wrecking ball for National Security, the economy and your personal rights.

Be glad you have it good now and do not vote Obama in to have it good later. You decide.

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
Obama was selling a world government. People are best governed by themselves in small groups. That is the principle the U.S. was founded on.

First governed is the individual: You must govern your own activities, appetites and relations.

Second Group, the Family: The family must work together to care for the whole unit.

Third Group, community: This could be a town or city. The people of the group decide how it should be governed relating to taxes, zoning, education and transportation.etc.

Fourth Group -State: The state decides the norms, determined by the traditions and goals of the residents. The state can determine taxes, laws and regulate commerce.
etc

Fifth group, the Sovereign Nation: Determines citizenshp, protects God Given rights, establishes and protects borders. etc

Only a non thinking person would give up all these rights for a World Government where a small elite govern the actions of everyone, where no one has an opportunity to affect the policies.

Let me get this straight. You are fine with 5 layers of government, but WHOA! Don't add one more layer of unity! That would be SIX layers of Unity.

It's not really that drastic of a change on the local level, although it does ensure a much stronger union of western civilization. Thats because I think there are actually two more layers, there is regional, such as the EU, and what might become the NAU. And then there is global unity.

I for one am glad to be alive during the time when it is on the lips of our candidates.

his mother was an Anthropologist


Well that settles it aint gonna vote for Anthropologist's son

Brother Obama will not be President of the United States. It is not what he is assigned to do; however, he will be playing a very major role in the construction of a new social global union. A job that was at first set for Bill Clinton but was changed at the last minute. One of the many reasons why Bill is not a fan of Obama.

Please read the words he said and you will find exactly what he is sent out to do. In a phrase, hiding in plain sight. Please understand we will be asking the world to give a little bit more to make this dream possible. In the end we will all be better for it.

Thank you

BCHB