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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:03 PM by Quazga
Originally posted by vor78
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I agree with you on that count. For his supporters, it certainly is the type of speech that they want to hear. But moderate Dems and unaffiliated voters? I'll wait to see the poll numbers over the next week or two.



Good points, all around.

I too am eager to see the poll results.


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:26 PM by anyone
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There is no doubt that some people will respond unkindly to a "rally" in another country. But I think most of us will find it a fresh outlook on responsible "politicking." He is really speaking to us because it shows how involved as a politician in will be on foreign affairs. This initiative of leadership is what we have wanted, hoped for, and need.

*Thanks everyone for your views. All are important looks on this issue. (Even if I don't necessarily agree on them all.) *


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:28 PM by anyone
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We have plenty of our own enchanted masses in this country. I see it as a good thing.


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:29 PM by _Del_
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Regardless of your personal reasons for voting/backing Obama, when even the incumbent party is campaigning on "change" you'd be pretty naive to think that voter dissatisfaction isn't the recurring theme of this election.
I was simply saying there was an unintended symmetry there -- that's what irony means.



reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:46 PM by Quazga
Originally posted by _Del_
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Regardless of your personal reasons for voting/backing Obama, when even the incumbent party is campaigning on "change" you'd be pretty naive to think that voter dissatisfaction isn't the recurring theme of this election.


Nope. Sorry, I don't think so. I think that the only reason the incumbent party is campaigning on change is because the opposition is. Look back, at the primary season and you will see the "evolution of 'change'" on the campaign trail.

The GOP is quite happy with everything currently. How do I know? Because their initial response is that people who are having a problem are "Whiners" and that the problem is purely psychological.

Nope, those who are voting for Obama are voting for change, but not the kind of change you might think. This isn't change from the current president to another. Nor is it change from a crappy president for one that can do somewhat better.

This is the change of face for America as a whole! This isn't about dissatisfaction as much as it is about the Hope for something we have never had.

John Kerry was the candidate who should have won due to voter dissastisfaction. I remember the "Anyone But Bush" Stickers from 2004. I also remember saying, the first time I heard Obama speak in 2004 at the DNC, "This is the guy who should be running for president! I don't care what party he is leading, I'll vote for him!"

You see many of us view this as a fundamental change in how elections are won, how party lines are formed, how the rest of the world views us, and how we govern ourselves.

This is why I didn't vote for Hillary. This is why Obama will be the next President of these wonderful United States.




[edit on 24-7-2008 by Quazga]


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:55 PM by Quazga
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic



HAH! I love your response to last piece.


That was priceless!


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 03:05 PM by nyk537
reply to post by Tomis_Nexis



We say that because not too long ago he was out speaking about how "embarrassed" he was that Americans go over seas and can only speak English. Well, actually, all we can say is "merci beaucoup".



reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 03:14 PM by Tomis_Nexis
Originally posted by nyk537
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We say that because not too long ago he was out speaking about how "embarrassed" he was that Americans go over seas and can only speak English. Well, actually, all we can say is "merci beaucoup".




Aside from merci beaucoup, what else can you say? That'll be my first question.


Aside from that, from my point of view I see America (SOME STATES) uncultured in the world, I blame your media outlets. Hell, some of you believe Toronto is the capital of Canada, and they're just north of you.

But this isn't a bash at all. I see where some would get upset, but it's not like the German language is...subtle.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by Tomis_Nexis]


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 03:24 PM by Tomis_Nexis
reply to post by Tricky63



I'm wouldn't flame you because you're right. The haters hate Obama one main reason I wont say, we can all see it, so they'll say anything to bash the guy. Geez, it's like the poor guy can't stumble a word or two, or change an idea he had...hell we all do it everyday!

This is an effing Bush era..that's where these haters come from.
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