Originally posted by sos37

For the love of God, why my father and my grandfather served in the military to defend the likes of people like you I will never, ever understand. People like you are so ungrateful for the blessings you have. All you care about is YOUR own personal agenda, not the good of the entire nation.

Wow. "People Like you?"

My Father, and I both served in the military to defend the likes of all of us.

I defintely understand.

These people are SO grateful for the blessings we have, that we are honest about who we are.

We love this country, but have HUGE problems with some of what it's government has done! I think we can all agree that the Governement of the United States has done some horrible things. This is why Republicans Don't like Government to begin with.

But that's because of the wrong kind of people in power. It doesn't reflect badly on my country in my eyes, but I KNOW it does in the eyes of the world.

This is why I want to put the right person in power, who also understands the great respect and expectations that the world has for us.

As a veteran who has defended this country, I stand behind Obama and our movement.



[edit on 25-7-2008 by Quazga]

And may you be shown kindness as well, VDOG.
I'm sorry if we've come across as hateful--I think I can speak for most of the Obama supporters here when I say we mean nothing of the sort.
I hope you find peace someday, I really do.

[edit on 25-7-2008 by Makoto]

He is trying real hard to be the black JFK. He wants the world to love him, too bad for him we vote for him not Germany. Or should I say NOT vote for him.

And what's wrong with trying to build a good international image? That's exactly what our next president needs: the charisma and connections to repair the damage that Bush and his cronies did to our reputation. That's what he's apologizing to the world for, and somebody damned well needs to; the actions of our administration over the past few years have been... well, I hardly need to go into detail on a forum that has entire sections devoted to chronicling the insanity that is America's reactionary element.

Originally posted by Tomis_Nexis

Originally posted by VDOG.45

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You all want Change? Change to an America of Socialism, Higher Taxes, Higher food and gas prices? Protest any War and talk to the enemy who wants nothing more then to cut your head off, after converting you to Islam!

Personally, I like my Freedom to choose and I choose to own many weapons and avoid being persecuted by any person, place or thing.

You sound like a real peace lover. And with the Bush talk you just gave to everyone I'd assume you believe your way of thinking is the only way and none are the wiser. You're no better the your so called enemies.

Obama's attempting to rally the allies and communicate with the "enemy" through diplomatic means, instead of using crap intelligence and bomb runs to prove how small their dicks really are.
[edit on 25-7-2008 by Tomis_Nexis]

Lord B. Hussein Obama is not a GOD! But, many of his cult members that follow him think so as do you...

I feel sorry for you in the End Game. I'm one of the people (NOT SHEEPOLE) that train and fight your Wars for you, "so that you can sleep soundly in your bed at night, knowing there are men willing to do violence on their behalf"

"A man who has nothing for which he willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself"

God, bless the American Fighting Men and Women, for we do what you cannot or will not do!

“Most people go through life wondering if they’ve made a difference! Marines don’t have that problem” (Ronald Wilson Reagan)

I am not a Republican or Democrat -- I am a Conservative Federalist, I believe in the Consitusional Replublic of America, not what it is today! Becoming more Facist and Communist by the day.

Political correctness and all that Hollywood BS - Don't like America - Love it or Leave it, be my guest. I'll pay for your one way ticket out of my Country and my land!

Originally posted by VDOG.45
I'm one of the people (NOT SHEEPOLE) that train and fight your Wars for you,

Just FYI, you do not fight MY wars for ME. You do not fight on my behalf, nor in my name. You do nothing for me. You do it for you. Get over yourself.

Originally posted by VDOG.45

Lord B. Hussein Obama is not a GOD! But, many of his cult members that follow him think so as do you...

You're absolutely right, and only right wing wackos' claim he is.

Your conservative party painted him in that light, nobody else.

Its done out of fear and stupidity.

But we wouldn't expect much less from the likes of BUSH McCain, now would we?

He is here in UK also. I just watched him talking CRAP on Downing street.

I dont even know why he would come here. we can't vote for him anyway so what was the point.

Its just because the republican candidate dissed him for having no foreign policy experiance.

Politics is just about flexing muscles these days.

germany was not very delighted about his plans for afghanistan...Germans do not want to support the usa there. no applause for that comment but that was not mentioned in the worldwide news

VDOG, I was born in this country too, and I love it very much; I would gladly fight and die for it if I believed it was necessary, and I know that at times it has been--but I don't believe that it is now.
I'm not a naive fool. I know that sometimes people have no interest in talking, and the only way to survive is to take their life before they take mine. But that isn't the case here; our enemies have declared themselves to be such not because they hate our way of life, but because our unchecked cultural imperialism is destroying theirs.
Have you done any study of history, especially that of the regions we're talking about? Most of the lines and boundaries that we think divide the middle east were arbitrarily drawn by Western powers after World War One--when it, like much of Africa, was divvied up between European nations like spoils of war. Ever since then, the various Muslim denominations have found themselves sharing territory that they had long ago divided among themselves--and almost as bad, they were forced to put up with dozens of puppet rulers who were tasked with making these utterly incompatible populations somehow get along.
Later, most of these nations became independent, as did Africa--and just as was the case there, replacing the old tribal boundaries with arbitrary national borders quickly led to hostility. The political spectrum of, say, Iraq is almost as broad as it is here--but unlike America, where Ann Arbor Social Democrats and Cincinnati Conservative Federalists don't have to interact much unless they want to, Iraq has several violently opposing factions packed into an area about the size of California and much less hospitable. Imagine having to share your house with Hitler and you might have an inkling of how it feels to these people.
Unfortunately, religion is even more of an inflammatory issue than it can be here, and it's unlikely that the two branches of the faith will reconcile in the immediate future--and the way America and other European powers tried to play them against each other during the Cold War didn't exactly help matters. That's one reason bin Laden loathes us so much. We didn't just bring our blasphemous ideas to his country, we didn't just corrupt his family with filthy American oil money, and we didn't just trample over Islam and everything else in the way in our petty squabbles with other infidel nations; we used him. Whatever the facts are, in his mind we used him like a handy tool to deprive the Soviets of a bit of land they wanted, and then abandoned him when we decided he wasn't useful anymore.
But while he may want us dead, most of the rest of the Islamic world would be satisfied if we just left--and I feel that's the best solution to the problem at hand. We need to get our troops out of the middle east in general, and Iraq in particular, let the people redraw their own lines, and intervene at the UN's request if they judge it necessary. I'd suggest the same for Africa, but that's a much more complex situation--a lot of even more primitive cultures who've been screwed a lot harder by the white man for a lot longer, plus AIDS, drugs, and vast untapped mineral resources. But that's another post. :p

It's all so clear now. One way or another, we're all going to die. Whether it be from the anti-christ or cancer, we are all doooooomed

I love the assumption that if you're against Obama that you're for McCain. I can't speak for everyone else, but neither candidate has impressed me at all. Heck I couldn't even throw a 'lesser of two evils' vote at either of them.

Unfortunately, the two-party system is so entrenched that, unless the entire system is radically altered, a vote that isn't for the Democratic candidate who comes closest to your views is essentially a vote for a Republican candidate, and vice versa. The average American doesn't believe a third-party candidate has any chance of winning, and also knows that most other Americans think the same thing--which makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy. The only way for a third party to become viable would be to achieve the same amount of funding and media attention that the Republicans and Democrats get--and since the Republicans have their own freaking news outlet, that's going to be tough. I'm not saying that it's impossible; I'm just saying it's taking a risk.
EDIT: To expound, I call it risky because it has as much potential for disaster as it does for victory. If your candidate fares well, getting an unusually large percentage of the vote, it might shake up the electorate enough to make him and other third-party candidates seem more like viable options next election--but in the meantime, you'll likely wind up with the candidate you like least. Given how polarizing this election is turning out to be, I think it's safe to say that a lot of Obama voters hate McCain, and a lot of McCain voters hate Obama--so very few of us think it would be worth violating the status quo if it also means putting somebody we loathe in office. It might be worthwhile to wait until both sides have less to lose before suggesting that they make the gamble that is a third-party vote.

[edit on 26-7-2008 by Makoto]

i am also from berlin / germany, and i am pretty proud that this man came to have a speech in germany.
to me it is always something very special to have an american politician speaking in berlin and at historical locations – like kennedy and reagan.
i am really ashamed about the fighting and arguing of the berlin politicians about the location of obamas speech. so he just got the 2nd prize - the "siegessäule" not the brandenburg gate

so we are looking forward to the election in november, an american presidential election means more to the world (whether we/you like it or not) than the election of any other chancellor or president in the rest of the world

Sheeple. It is kind of incidental that It was where Mr A. made his speeches and he was quite mesmerizing. This guy has nice teeth and speaks eloquently. It doesn't matter that he is an empty suit, lacking substance. I am no JFK or McCain fan but they at least sacrificed for their county. What did this guy do? Nothing.

Originally posted by RRconservative
I'm just amazed that Obama is in Germany....speaking English. After all didn't he just make fun of Americans going to foreign countries and just saying "merci beaucoup?"

Kennedy sagte "Ich bin ein Berliner!" aber Obama ist einer!

Translation for those language impaired like Obama:

Kennedy said "I am a jelly doughnut!", but Obama is one!