McCain the Pathological Liar: Iraq borders/Czechoslovakia? , page 1
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Topic started on 24-7-2008 @ 02:20 AM by lee anoma


Recently some people have been attacking Obama for a statement he made in Isreal regarding his connection to U.S. Senate Banking Committee. Now my first thought was that as usual with most campaigners his schedule caught up with him and he was referring to a bill he helped to pass but got confused however I see that most don't agree and have called him a liar.

Maybe he was lying, and did not make a gaffe!

Maybe we should reevaluate our positions on these statements that "seem" to be made in error. Maybe these two candidates are manipulating us. Perhaps we should hold these politicians feet to the fire, and not assume the mistakes were accidental.

The idea made me search out other statements that were written-off as gaffes and look at them for what they were...an absolute lie. Which brings me to the other candidate in the race. John McCain claims that Iraq borders Pakistan and that Czechoslovakia still exists. The latter was done on more than ONE occasion.

He also said Al Qaeda is in Iran but Lieberman caught his lie.

I don't want to presume this is from campaign exhaustion.

I don't want to presume that McCain has been asleep at the switch since '93, or that he has an outdated globe in his office.

I don't want to presume the reason he doesn't know these things is because his age may be catching up to him and be accused of "ageism", so I'll assume he stated those things as truth.

He is lying to us.

McCain Owns First Foreign Policy Gaffe During Obama's Iraq Trip

Asked by Diane Sawyer whether the "the situation in Afghanistan in precarious and urgent," McCain responded: "I think it's serious. . . . It's a serious situation, but there's a lot of things we need to do. We have a lot of work to do and I'm afraid it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq/Pakistan border."

But as ABC's Rick Klein noted: "Iraq and Pakistan do not share a border. Afghanistan and Pakistan do."
Huffington Post




McCain Defends Czechoslovakia, A Non-Existent Country -- Again

UPDATE JUNE 15:
McCain made the same mistake again today during a town hall meeting in New Mexico. Huffington Post




Why is McCain lying to the people so blatantly?
This is wrong.

- Lee


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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:42 AM by alkali
reply to post by lee anoma


You have got to be kidding. So, you're telling me that you have never made a mistake when talking about two similar subjects? Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that he was talking about the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.

Why would anyone lie about something like this? Do you think he was trying to trick the American people into believing Iraq and Pakistan bordered each other? You think he was trying to pull a fast one on us, like none of us own a map? Why would anyone lie about something as stupid as this? What would he have to gain by lying? Generally, people who lie do it for a reason. What would McCain's reason be, Lee?

You're killing me. Please use common sense in further threads.


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 08:18 AM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Dronetek


Yes it is. I believe that's the point.

I applaud you, Lee, for making this point. "Pathological liar"? People make mistakes. They mis-speak. The get very tired and especially, if they are old and haven't had their nap, they might say something that is out of integrity with reality. It doesn't mean they're lying. It just means they're human.

Having said that, it's funny!


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 11:52 AM by lee anoma
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Dronetek


Yes it is. I believe that's the point.

I applaud you, Lee, for making this point. "Pathological liar"? People make mistakes. They mis-speak. The get very tired and especially, if they are old and haven't had their nap, they might say something that is out of integrity with reality. It doesn't mean they're lying. It just means they're human.

Having said that, it's funny!


Someone was smart enough to see this as my own New Yorker cover.
Thanks again BH.

Of course it is stupid guys. It is stupid because we are overreacting to the simplest things. Of course McCain made a mistake. Of course Obama made a mistake. Why are you all blowing them out of proportion and making ridiculous absolute assertions, such as calling someone a liar or unpatriotic over a gaffe.

I was jokingly mocking the recent influx of threads (mostly Obama) that do the very thing some of you scoffed at in this thread to make a point. That you see and hear what you want to, regardless of the common sense answer. You have even proven when the same is done to the opposite candidate you only THEN see how stupid the behavior is.

This is YOUR behavior that you now scoff at.
See how ridiculous it can be?

How about we raise the bar on political discourse?
Anyone in favor of this?

- Lee


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 12:06 PM by lee anoma
reply to post by Agit8dChop


Heh, yeah I felt dirty as well.

Most people would I believe, if they have any sort of moral compass. It is stuff like this that drags us all through the mud. Either you ignore the lies, innuendo and rumors, or you reveal them by standing in the mud and debating the slingers.

One way or another you always end up a little dirty.

It is not the sort of thing I do, but a point needed to be made and setting it up this way was the best way to do it. I may not be a full fledged Obama or McCain supporter but the absurd things being said around here is like listening to nails being raked over a chalkboard. And that's from reading the title of the thread alone!

I know what you mean and thanks for playing along.

- Lee



reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:35 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by lee anoma


Sorry, what I meant was that when I first came on board at ATS and George Bush had just "won" the election (see? I still haven't given it up), I was POd about it and complained about it. And the same people here on the board who are being snarky now were laughing and having a great old time because "their guy" (or their party) was the winner.

Does that make sense?


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 03:27 PM by Quazga
reply to post by lee anoma


I for one agree, these gaffes make for great daily show fodder, but even that is self described as "fake news".

The level of political discourse should be raised up to exclude using obvious mistakes as a means to make an incorrect political assertion.


It's one thing to poke fun at your candidate or his opponent with these things, but they shouldn't be raised to anything more than the trivial mistake that they are.
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