Mini 14, Bushmaster or Kalashnikov...which makes the most sense for all around survival weapon?, page 5
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reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 02:59 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by angryamerican
The socom 2 is a badass little weapon, but i would still rather have a standard carbine. The socom 2 comes with a 16 or 18 inch barrel, while the carbine comes with an 18, 20, or 22 inch. Internally there is not much difference, the shortened the gas chamber is the main thing. But with the longer barrels of the carbine you get higher velocities, lower recoil, and tighter groups.
And it's $500 less than a socom. That's a lot of ammo

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reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 03:08 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by orangetom1999
I shoot Federal 50 gr. power shok's out of my mini-14 and get really good groups. I prefer Hornady ammo but when stockpiling the cost is to high. The only thing that my Savage 111 30-06 gets fed is 165 or 180 grain SST's. You can get boxes of 200 rounds of the federals at wal-mart for $76.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 03:39 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by intrepid
Yes to all, but it will be harder to find ammo after TSHTF regardless of what people tell you. They aren't taking in to consideration that most american companies don't make it so it'll dwindle fast.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 03:41 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by crudos
Yes, but most american companies don't make it. All of them make .223, so it's already stockpiled in warehouses.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 03:42 PM by intrepid
reply to post by Anuubis


Why not load your own shells. I knew a guy in the 70's, avid gun fan, that did just that. In fact my father traded service loads for his custom loads.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 03:44 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by crudos
Bolt, bolt carrier, gas piston, ejection rod, guide spring, hammer, firing pin, and return spring.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 03:46 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by intrepid
That would work till you ran out of powder and primers. Very hard to make either one. Go with the same thought with a .223 and your ammo will last a lot longer.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 03:51 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by crudos
Yes, but my point is there will be a lot more .223 running around after TSHTF. reloading is a good idea but if you have a small supply of any neccesary ingredients you'll run out fast. There will be a lot of .223 running around because of military demand, police demand, and civilian usage. The military has armories full of it because their main weapons, the m4 and m249 saw, use it.


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 04:01 PM by crudos
Originally posted by Anuubis
reply to post by crudos
Yes, but my point is there will be a lot more .223 running around after TSHTF. reloading is a good idea but if you have a small supply of any neccesary ingredients you'll run out fast. There will be a lot of .223 running around because of military demand, police demand, and civilian usage. The military has armories full of it because their main weapons, the m4 and m249 saw, use it.


I do agree with you generally. But there is still ALOT of 7.62x39 out there and will be after a SHTF scenario. And because the authorities have bunches of .223, doesn't mean they will be inclined to give it out to the befuddled masses. Personally, I think most people would be fine with either cartridge. I have a Finnish m39 bolt action rifle, that is my choice of weapon should it ever come down to it. Accurate, durable, good at longer ranges. Downside is 7.62x54r availibility, but nothing is perfect. Interesting discussion by all in this thread.

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reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 04:09 PM by Anuubis
reply to post by crudos
Also to add to my point, the ones with it will most likely not survive forever. People will find out and keep going after them.



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reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:11 PM by Illahee
Originally posted by Anuubis
reply to post by crudos
Yes, but most american companies don't make it. All of them make .223, so it's already stockpiled in warehouses.



Wrong, on that one. All of the American companies make it.
That is what people buy these days. Supply and demand. Here are some different manufacturers of 7.62x39 and this outfit does not come close to stocking them all.

www.cheaperthandirt.com...

The stuff that is getting hard to come by is the chinese AP and the various russian factories with unusual headstamps. Some of that is being demilled for cartridge displays Most rounds are around a buck each for the rarer collectible ones.

If you have the dough get the socom or a good quality FAL. I doubt anyone would be disappointed in either. They are both fine rifles


reply posted on 31-7-2008 @ 06:26 PM by Illahee
If your looking for a deal its here:

www.ammoman.com...

$199 per 1000 delivered to your door. Various russian types but if you want a round that cycles through every AK type weapon get the 'wolf military classic' in either FMJ or Hollow Point. Best value by far today and the ammoman won't let you down.

Price has jumped $10-30 everywhere else in the last month due to strong demand and that is before shipping which has gone up too. Ammoman has free shipping on everything.


reply posted on 1-8-2008 @ 12:44 AM by himself
Originally posted by Anuubis
reply to post by himself
Any semi-auto, if taken care of properly, will last for a very long time. If you get into a situation when TSHTF that you need firepower fast then your breachloader will not do.


When TSHTF,
I depend on both my .380 PC-ATs and my.22 NAA derringers
and more than that
my brainwashing in the military.
Unlike now.
They programmed me to survive against all odds.
I do things I could not have imagined to survive and win...
I have fought and won against 15 assailants who were stunned by my agressive instant response, long enough for me to win...
Five to one? I laugh as I fight and win every time.
Recon Marines know what I mean.
Nothing like slapping some guy's gun out of his hand and shooting the other attackers with it.
Cops love that btw







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