I think I support what terrorist die for., page 2

reply to post by budski

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I can see what you mean but....

Are our actions not done to get a reaction by others though ? If true then it means the perception is left to the person seeing the action rather than the one doing the action ?

reply to post by they see ALL

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I cant believe you are that ignorant, terrorist die because they are brainwashed. There not dying of there own free will, it takes lifelong poverty and abuse and brainwashing to get someone to kill innocent children for a twisted view of a doctrine. As for Americans they freely give up there lives so idiots like you can post ridiculous theories, of course you are the more radical but your right to show your ignorance is what many Americans are fighting for. You say they fight for money, did you know that the GI bill hardly affords a mediocre education, all my buddies that have the gi bill still have to go in debt, there are many easier ways to get college money rather than chance your life. I think your views are weak and not thought out very well. You seem to be the type of guy that would log on to some unchecked blog and read something that hasn't been fact checked and then scream to the world this is the "Truth". Take time to listen and research your facts.

reply to post by Discotech

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A fair point, but this would automatically put everyone who fights for freedom in the category of terrorist, simply because freedom fighters lack the propaganda resources of the perceived tyranny they are fighting against - it's like the old axiom which says that history is propaganda written by the winners.

Imagine for a moment that the axis powers had won WW2 - the allies would then have been written into the history books as a form of terrorists.

A little bit of an extreme analogy, I know, but I think it illustrates my point.

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Originally posted by argentus
reply to post by they see ALL

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I'll ponder your responses and get back to you when my [aged] brain is more fresh. Right now, I'm feeling that your smily laughs are a little out of place and off-putting. I don't want to focus on that, as you may construe that symbol differently than myself. I see the smily laugh as somewhat derisive, and in the context with which you used them, I think they're out of place. Just my opinion.

You don't like my faces ? Sorry for yet another one.

For now, consider the possibility that when you remove all the variables that your posts seem to indicate you want to in relation to terrorism, that the person in question might not be construed as a terrorist. I don't think it's very realistic to contemplate "what if terrorists didn't do X and Y, how would we feel?" Documented fact of the matter is, that they do.

Okay. So dying for a cause, divorced from its effects and what the act that causes the dying involves, is good, right? I think we have this established. Guess what, this is my whole point! That's good we agree.

Originally posted by Heike
I could be wrong about this because I haven't done a lot of research, but I've been told or heard that many of 'suicide bombers' and terrorists who go on suicide missions gain two benefits. One, according to their religion they're supposedly guaranteed to go to Heaven and have a place of honor there, and two their families (wives, children, etc.) get money and/or a guarantee that the organization they're doing the mission for will take care of their family.

Yes, terrorists probably die for a religious belief or a political idea or, maybe even, because their families will be taken care of by the terrorist group (I don't doubt the latter most possibility at all). It must be one of these possibilities, I mean what else would cause one to kill themselves (in terms of suicide bombers).

I, therefore, don't believe that most of them are dying for a cause, or an idea. They're dying for personal gain (a guaranteed cushy spot in Heaven), and for financial gain for their family. Whether or not it's any kind of 'noble' to be willing to die so that your family will have a better life would be a whole different discussion, IMO, but the fact remains that, if what I've been told is correct, they are dying for personal and familial benefits, not for an idea or a cause.

I think dying for a religious idea is a cause, why don't you? It seems to me that you think trying to get to a form of a positive afterlife is selfish . Maybe it is. Nevertheless, it is a cause. Dying for money for others is better, in my opinion, than dying for money for oneself. Do you agree?

Originally posted by budski
It seems to come back to the old saying that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

This opens up a whole new question (and one I don't wish to discuss here).

There's also the question of motivation - people are indeed motivated by many different things, but how deeply would you need to feel about something to take your own life and that of innocents?

This is the question I am more interested in. What causes one to die for something: material things (as can be the case in official armies throughout history, as may be exemplified in paid soldiers) or more abstract things, such as ideas.

Originally posted by Alxandro
Is this another hate America thread in disguise?

Nope. If I hated America, I would say it to her face, that is, publicly and directly.

Soldiers have died so that people can post threads like this, you abuse these freedoms, you will lose these freedoms.

How is discussing abusing freedoms?

Soldiers have died so that their country and their family can progress, terrorists die so that others do not advance.

Except their groups. Actually, I don't think you nor I are qualified to say what (exactly) terrorists die for (or what goes on in their minds right before they commit the acts they do).

Originally posted by alienj
reply to post by they see ALL

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I cant believe you are that ignorant, terrorist die because they are brainwashed.

Again, how can one know this for sure?

There not dying of there own free will, it takes lifelong poverty and abuse and brainwashing to get someone to kill innocent children for a twisted view of a doctrine.

What doctrine? How can you claim to know their doctrine well enough to make a judgment like this?

As for Americans they freely give up there lives so idiots like you can post ridiculous theories, of course you are the more radical but your right to show your ignorance is what many Americans are fighting for.

Ouch, your name calling hurt me .

You say they fight for money, did you know that the GI bill hardly affords a mediocre education, all my buddies that have the gi bill still have to go in debt, there are many easier ways to get college money rather than chance your life.

That's not what I thought. Why, then, do recruiter deliberately go to poor neighborhoods? And why, then, is joining the army advertised as a way to get money for college? Seems like the government wants people who need money and not, necessarily, people who believe in America and etc.

I think your views are weak and not thought out very well.

Did I say otherwise? Look at exactly what I said:

Originally posted by they see ALL
OK, allow me to move further a bit and make a drastic conclusion.

You see, even I think this is a drastic conclusion. I didn't postulate this as true. And look at what else I stated:

Originally posted by they see ALL
Let's debate this!

I didn't post this as some absolute truth. I made this thread so that we can debate and, thus, learn together.

Originally posted by 1cav1team
Terrorist recruit from the poor and homeless youth and even mentaly
handy capped kids, i know i have seen this in Iraq. I started out fighting for freedom but ended up fighting for my buddy next to me.

Thanks for the personal input . Obviously, I'm always open to views that go against my opinion. I desired to learn in creating this thread.

Originally posted by Myendica
I don't know. If you condone terrorism, then terrorize those who deserve it, not innocence.

Thanks for your information and, no, I don't condone terrorism. Did I say something to the contrary?

As a side note, we currently live in a world that is very sensitive to terrorism. This is blatantly so because of the recent terror attacks in the U.S. and other places around the world. I just wish we could think outside of the box (well, outside of U.S. borders) and debate this civilly. I am sure that if I posted this in the future, where terrorism was no more, we would be able to talk about this without getting filled with anger. So, again I say, let's debate this!




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