Gitmo Prosecutor: Flight 93 Was Shot Down On 9/11!

How many honest mistakes does it take to reveal an agenda?

This is at least my 3rd time of cold bustin' your ass.

But my meds are working today - I'll let it slide again.

Soon you will be able to retire off you're ATS points heh.

I understand at least some states are finding Chavez fairly attractive now.

I even like some of his real estate.


I also like spaces between my sentences.

They are being criticized for shooting it down and lying about it -- I think. Not for shooting it down.

However, I think it was shot down AFTER they realized the passengers had taken control. The scenario where the bad guys and passengers are fighting over the controls makes no sense -- if you are trying to fly the plane and someone is hitting you in the head -- you lose pretty quickly. Flying a plane straight in the air can be accomplished by almost anyone. If the Nose Dive were a last-ditch attempt by the bad guy to stop the passengers -- well, they would be too busy falling to do much now wouldn't they? So the passengers took back control, and the plane would then be flying straight. IF, this happened at all.

The crash site does not look like ANY debris field I've seen in other photos of planes. And why no reassembled plane as is usual in these cases?

>> I also believe that perhaps we should consider that building 7 was the target -- not the White House and the call the "Pull the Building" was made when they realized that no plane would be coming to fly into it, and if they waited much longer, it would stretch the credulity of the American public which is thankfully, pretty gullible as it is.

reply to post by johnsky

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Great points.

Yes, after the Cold War was over -- the military needed an enemy to justify all the expenses we pay on it.

Big Oil certainly did profit from what happened in Iraq -- do you think they actually pay that price per barrel that gets quoted? A lot of these outfits are helping to pull the oil from the ground -- it's a vertical business. Out of their profits, the holders of the oil wells get paid. Peak Oil was always going to arrive -- the REASON we don't have all those developed oil wells in the US is because it is cheaper to import it than to drill for it here.

The idea that we would have heard more slip-ups on 9/11 is nonsense. The people who do the dirty work for the Bush family, are not as much of a nitwit as the Decider. He's only bad at public speaking -- but he isn't as much of a nitwit as he pretends to be -- merely addled by all the drugs he has taken.

But they sure did line their pockets. There wasn't a failure in Iraq -- it was a complete success. Civil war makes sure the weapons keep selling while the oil flows cheap. The only reason we need all those bases there and the continued occupation is that BushCo wants to have production selling agreements and the bases guarantee they don't change once we have a new President. They want to keep what they steal.

9/11 didn't go off without a hitch -- mainly because we now have the internet to compete with the propaganda on the TV. Without the Internet, it would just be a few people with suspicions. I would never have learned about a pancake collapse taking 90 seconds for 80 stories, nor that the yellow-white liquid flowing out could ONLY be steel, and that indicated that Thermate was used. A lot of other lies and propaganda would have just gone over my head, because I am not an engineer, a chemist, or a historian. I learned that a fire raged over three floors on the North tower two weeks before it opened and before they added sprinklers -- so much for fire destroying it. I also learned that a fire from Kerosene (jet fuel) cannot get hot enough.

And about conspiracies in general; if you made millions on a job, but could be convicted of treason and sent to a firing squad -- I think all of us could keep our mouths shut.

Not everyone needs to be "in on it." You dupe a few people and then give a cover story. The guy who shot down the plane, probably feels bad -- but he was told that the public wouldn't understand. He doesn't need to know that it wasn't a mistake -- nor the rest of the planes that actually HIT their targets not being shot down.

The people at NORAD weren't in on it. Merely Dick Cheney who ordered all the drills -- maybe one conspirator who was in charge of things.

The FAA wasn't in on it, but only one person, to make sure there was confusion and that lose ends were tied up.

There hasn't been too many mistakes in Iraq nor in the 9/11 operation. It has worked out very well for them. The main hitch for them has been the educating power of the internet -- where we learned first about Abu Ghraib -- another Conspiracy Theory.

Flagged and starred. Ever since watching United 93 or w/e that movie was I was overwhelmed with pride, then I started reading a little "truth" and realized it for what it was.

I think this is plausible.

Hamden is either telling the truth as he knows it, or he is lying and helping out our government.

Lying to help out A Q makes no sense.

>> I'm pretty sure Bin Laden was killed in December of 2001. Which is what that lady said on Charlie Rose a couple of weeks before she was assassinated in Pakistan. But an un-findable Bogey man is the best thing of all. You can have him say he endorses Senator Obama just before the election and not have a living Osama to disagree.

But I don't know much of what A Q would or wouldn't do. Bush increased their financing budget within the CIA the first year he was in office. They have a Saudi Prince at the head of an organization, that seems to organize the rage against the Saudi leadership to waste their time trying to overthrow Saddam Hussein. "al Qaeda" means "the base" or perhaps a CIA database. Other than helping to bankrupt the soviets in Afghanistan, and work for the CIA -- we don't know much about this outfit.

I suspect that some spook just convinced a few of their operatives to do this job against America -- that is the extent of any foreign involvement. The lead hijacker's girlfriend (a stripper), was interviewed on some HBO special talking about his training (at an airstrip that was a CIA drop) and the partying they did before undergoing their mission. The press also, for a time, talked about they hypocrisy of Religious fundamentalists going to strip clubs before dying for Allah.

What happened to that story? I guess it flew in the face of the "they hate us for our freedoms" line that worked so well.

This is all just marketing. I don't have any clue what the truth is -- its' just like the Iraq war -- all focus group nonsense. If the people are worried about WMDs -- then that is the reason. If they like Democracy, liberation, or peace -- use those as well. Once we are in -- we can't "abandon" Iraqis -- you mean we cared about them so much we invaded them on false pretenses? We can't impeach Bush during a war. Now we can't impeach Bush because the elections are coming up. It's all a stalling tactic until they grab more power, and have added more money to their pockets. They are consolidating power, while we keep trying to rationally explain things and let the system work.

WE won't know that the system has failed to work or that we are up Sh!ts creek without a paddle until it is too late to do anything about it. When the invasion of Iran is underway, we will have so many angry people after us, we will be forced to choose a side.

When all of us "Truthers" are proven right -- none of us are going to get much joy over it. All the economic systems will fail so that one Bank will emerge -- with privatized profits and socialized losses. The Airlines are failing, and will continue until there are no unions. The magically become profitable and we won't need all those security checks.

Terrorism was sure great to get rid of Unions and free speech, eh?

Every "failure" helps them. Disaster capitalism. And we sit around trying to "figure out" what they are doing. By the time we have all the answers someone will be shouting "duck!"

If the Prosecutor is claiming that the US military down the plane, and most importantly, that the defendent over heard Osama Bin Laden speaking about this plane in a conversation, I have just one question:

- If the government planned this entire conspiracy, and with Osama Bin Laden saying he never took part in 9/11, then how did the defendent over hear Osama speak about this then?

There are so many twists and ties in 9/11, we'll never know what is really going on.

Your right spooks are the ones pulling the strings and whispering the orders,these arabs dont even know there being used.

Bin Laden is the perfect scapegoat,someone who has been dead for some time now and will have vids and comments surfaced from time to time to show the world the freedom hater is still alive and planning other terrorist acts.

We are at war with terrorists who have no country and borders,and it seems that we are able to invade and take over other countries just because these people in small numbers have trained there.

It also means the war will be endless and the military will always recieve lots of tax money(let alone black budget handouts!)Then of course there are the other industries tied into this who make some serious money.

They must be laughing all the way to the bank during this credit crunch knowing the gravy train their riding is going to keep on rolling for many years to come with no sign of the brakes coming on!

The late Robin Cook who resigned before the disgusting blood bath we created in Iraq stated that Al-Qaeda was a datebase as you mentioned

www.guardian.co.uk...

I hope we are not foolish enough to attack Iran!The way the media and our despicable so called leaders are talking,I think we will

reply to post by Maxmars

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I have never heard of these ''standard policies'', would you mind pointing them out?

How did these amendments affect anything regarding 9/11?

As I read somewhere the tanks rolled for what President Bush originally called "Operation Iraqi Liberation" -- O.I.L."

I hope this is ok to link to as it is an interesting article.

www.gregpalast.com...

Remember this war did very well, for Big Oil. The war has caused an oil squeeze, as Iraq oil went down from 4 million barrels a day to 2.1 (which is equal to the entire planets reserve production capacity). Lovely reason for Oil companies to increase prices claiming they can't keep up with demand.

Also the value of the reserves of the five biggest oil companies more than doubled to $2.36 trillion since the start of the war.

Here is an interesting website that I found called A TIMELINE OF OIL AND VIOLENCE (Again, I hope its allright to link to it)

www.ringnebula.com...

Upon taking office, the Bush administration engaged in active negotiations with Taliban representatives with meetings in Washington, DC, Berlin, and Islamabad.

Bush (oil) administration includes:

* Dick Cheney, VP: Until 2000 - President of Halliburton (in position to build the Afghan pipeline).
* Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor: 1991-2000 - Manager of Chevron Oil, and Kazakhstan go-between.
* Donald Evans, Sec. Commerce: former CEO, Tom Brown, Inc. (a $1.2 billion oil company).
* Gale Norton, Sec. Interior: former national chairwoman of the Coalition of Republican Environmental Advocates - funded by, among others, BP Amoco.
* Spencer Abraham, Sec. Energy: Up through his failed bid for senatorial reelection in the 2000, he received more oil and gas industry money than all but three other senators (January 1997 through July 2000) (30).
* Thomas White, Secretary of the Army: former Vice Chairman of Enron and a large shareholder of that company's stock.

Anyone notice the common theme in the Bush administration? Seems an awful lot of "oil" folks running this country to me for this war to NOT be about oil.

Bin laden what he got to do with it.
the only people in the whole world believing the official fairy tales are Americans

and that is because their news is propaganda and they don't see world news.

AlCIAda is a terrorist grouped formed by America.

911 was perpetrated to warrant going into IRAQ and launching a blood lust for oil. and a oil pipline from the Caspian basin.

The Russians beat the neocons to it . neocons left holding the bag and Russians left holding the oil .

Ok, though it is hard to find information regarding when cell phone use on airlines might have been possible. It could be that if the airplane was low enough, then towers could have been available for cell phone usage.

www.qualcomm.com...

American Airlines and Qualcomm Complete Test Flight to Evaluate In-Cabin Mobile Phone Use

July 15, 2004 — Qualcomm Incorporated (Nasdaq: QCOM), pioneer and world leader of Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) digital wireless technology, and American Airlines, the world’s largest carrier, today successfully demonstrated in-cabin voice communications using commercially available CDMA mobile phones on a commercial American Airlines aircraft. Through the use of an in-cabin third-generation (3G) “picocell” network, passengers on the test flight were able to place and receive calls as if they were on the ground.

wow thats actualy right supply and demand go as high as you wish until they refuse to buy anymore but that wont happen because we need rides to work school and plastics and wait should i continue to mention everything we use today relating to oil in some way to ya i dont think we wont be needing oil anytime soon so i think theyll just keep on lying to us we need a total new approach at everything there is new ways to do things and its not like people dont want to its that the greedy old men in power refuse to lose profits and power so we keep heading towards this fascist police state im scared hold me

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I'm with this guy! I saw the satellite photo from what, 94? 95? That shows the same scar that was supposedly the crater left from the wings. The whole things is shady. That whole day is shady. And yeah, I'm annoyed people just let it go. I admit, that day I was dumbfounded. Nothing made sense. President reads to kids? I don't know. And for like 3 years I didn't even wanna talk about it, I was shocked everytime someone brought it up. I guess I tried to forget it. Then I remembered how dumbfounded I was and decided to look again, and I wish i had stayed confused and dumbfounded. We are all wimps. We have no back bone. We don't even have a chance if we wanted to. I don't even know anymore. Impeach today! Yeah kucinich

That strip mining scar is not where the plane crashed. It is some two hunder or more yards away from the actuall plane crash. I know people claim that those are not wing marks in the ground, but a previous strip mining scar. That is false. Not only did the plane crash hundreds of years away from that scar but if you measure the scar by using those houses you can see that the scar is huge. You could fit almost 15-20 houses in it. Those wing scars are much much smaller then the actual strip mining scar. But good try spread false info. Maybe do some research before you post. Also wrong myendica. Look at this video here claiming the crash site is the mining scar. mining scar look half way through video Look around the 220 mark. This is the problem with that theory
1. The wing marks are significantly closer to the trees then the mining scar. The pictures of the scar is taken by satallite not by helecopter.
2. Look at the houses in the distance. The ones that were covered in debris by the accident. Look how tiny they are compared to the scar shown in the goelogical survey. The marks left by the plane crash are much much much smaller then that scar.
With all the talk about sheep on this website, I love the people who just blindly believe anything they here about the 9/11 consiracy. Regardless whether the planes was shot down or not that mining scar has nothing to do with the crash. Also if it is true those planes were shot that would indicate that the government wasnt behind 9/11. Right? That is funny someone gave the guy above me a star and his information isnt even correct.



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Here is some wreakage from flight 93:
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eyewitness accounts

One guy was working near the old mining scar when he saw the actual plane crash. Are these people lying?

Way to copy 2 other posts dude!

Nice (dugg down)

On 9/11 I was signing off on some ABF truck bills with the driver
his cell phone ring.He took the call It was his son.He told his son to get a grip on his self he did what he was to do thats your job and you did the right thing.After gatting off the phone the drive I know well was trearing up .He said his son and 3 others were scrambled from a base to take out a airliner they did he thinks it was ome of his missles that took it out.I told him he did the right thing. today I still remember the look on that mans face after that call.I know this happened and no one could change my mind of what I heard.

I heard about this site from someone who frequetly comes here. He told me about all the 9/11 threads that discuss flight 93 being shot down. My cousin lives near shanksville and actually saw the plane crash. He told me there was no indication it was shot down. He saw the actual crash. He said he had never been so scared in his life. Also as the poster above said the mining scar and the place the plane crashed are indeed two different places. The mining scar is actually quite a distance from the actual site the plane crashed. The poster above me is full of %^$*. It was not shot down. You can speculate all you want however I prefer to believe my cousin when it comes to this. All you people that claim that the plane was shot down cheapen what those people on the plane actually did that day.. They potentially saved thousands of other lives by taking there own.