Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I simply find it fascinating that the government is criticized for not having NORAD activated and not shooting down the planes... until the idea that maybe they did shoot down one of the planes surfaces and then they are still criticized.

Why is this fascinating?

They're criticized because they're incapable of telling the truth... about anything.

People will never hasten their own death, even if the situation is futile.

We are supposed to believe that fear of death could not rouse people out of their chairs to divert or crash planes intended for the twin towers and pentagon, but patriotism was enough to override the most basic human instinct, just so they could protect the white house? Please.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
I simply find it fascinating that the government is criticized for not having NORAD activated and not shooting down the planes... until the idea that maybe they did shoot down one of the planes surfaces and then they are still criticized. Here's a brand new rope, I believe you know what to do with it, even though we all know it will still not please you.

I think perhaps the point is that lies are being spewed. People are up in arms because the supposed facts have been one lie after another. All people want is a factual account of what transpired that morning. Being questioned about something is not the same as being criticized for it.

So here's the scene: The "debunkers" are screaming, "There is no conspiracy! You people are crazy, nit-wits who don't have a clue...there's no wreakage from the engines because it disintergrated, you people are making this up, you nuts!"

US Navy Prosecutor: "We shot it down..."

Debunkers: "Wait, what?!"

IF it was not shot down it was not for lack of a plan to do so.

There has been a war games scenerio that involves shooting down a domestic plane for a great many years.

This somewhat supported by the lack of publicly released wreckage.

It is somewhat confused by the cell phone call from the plane to a wife that recognized the voice. I understand how easily that could be faked.

The one most incriminating factor to 9/11 for me is the Pentagon. I viewed the damage the following spring and am not alone in my assertion that it was impossible to be caused by a transport aircraft.

Smoke & mirrors and the continuing Beltway two-step.

I am not a smart man but I know what a hosing is.

All 'standard' policies which most US Airmen were aware of since many, many years ago was if a hijacked plane were to be identified as a threat it would be shot down, if necessary, to protect the lives of those who might be killed by it's impact. This is no 'extraordinary scenario'.

I know that those regulations had been recently 'amended' by Rumsfeld's office, but still, it seems unlikely that any pilot would simply 'allow' the plane to go on it's way. I think a shoot down would have been the proper response, sad as its' necessity would have been, if true.

I am more inclined to believe that a shoot down occurred than any magical 'Hollywood'-scripted scenario. If it wasn't shot down, so be it. But I refuse to blithely accept the word of those who have demonstrably orchestrated disinformation and propaganda releases to the public for the last two terms.

Heroes do still exist in America, but I still think that flight 93 was a shootdown by the U.S. government. A tough decision for a commander, but one that must be made for the greater good.

Its very obvious 93 was shot down. This is about the only thing I believe that is totally different from something close to the original story of what happened that day.

Here lies the problem with the so called truthers, love how they adopted that name to help make them feel a little less insane...If we did shoot down the plane it leaves a hole for it all being plotted and planned by the gov. So these are the ones that will fight this, when at any other time these same folks would jump on something like this. They deny the fact as it throws another monkey wrench in the BIG conspiracy picture they have formed in their minds.

Your really going to go with no planes existing, holograms and the like to force a square peg in a round hole??

Were there weird coincidences on 911?yep, were there some things that dont seem right? Yep. But this is a huge stretch from the biggest conspiracy ever pulled off by man as you would make it seem.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

"If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome," Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks.

(visit the link for the full news article)

You are being lied to folks, by Dimensional Detective.

Dimensional Detective purposefully misquoted the article he sites, placing a period where there is a comma, and excising relevant text.

From the article:

"If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome," Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks, repeating Bin Laden's deputy's claim.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

"If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome," Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks.

(visit the link for the full news article)

You are being lied to folks, by Dimensional Detective.

Dimensional Detective purposefully misquoted the article he sites, placing a period where there is a comma, and excising relevant text.

From the article:

"If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane it would've hit the dome," Stone, a Navy officer, said in his opening remarks, repeating Bin Laden's deputy's claim.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by SaviorComplex]

If this is true I am devastated. I make no judgments on people by what they find and post. I believe that it is up to us to review and collate and develop in our own minds what we find credible or otherwise. But such a grammatical repositioning of the original text punctuation would be disingenuous at best, and down right manipulative at worst.

It seems out of character for DD, to me, but then I generally avoid assigning malicious intent without giving an opportunity for rebuttal. But I am intensely curious as to how such a thing could have occurred accidentally.

Originally posted by Maxmars
If this is true I am devastated.

Read the link that DD himself posted. It is obvious it was edited to change context and meaning.

From the Miami Herald article Reality Hurts referenced:

''If they hadn't shot down the fourth plane, it would've hit the dome,'' the U.S. Capitol building -- the al Qaeda godfather supposedly told his deputy, Egyptian Ayman al Zawahari.

It is clear Stone was quoting someone else, he was not making the claim himself. The wording to the Rawstory text was changed to make it appear otherwise.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Let's try it again and again...... There's a sight in N.Y. no one disputes, the pentagon is attack for the first time in history, and no one has a clear belief of a plane crashing in penn. Humm, the U.S. president's claims to go to war in one country can not be verified. However attacks the alleged country of terrorist, to link them to the need to go to war in that country.
I think were gonna be better off rehashing the Kennedy Assasination. At least we can acertively say we've been lied to again and again......

If you read the story this is something Bin Laden said to his deputies.

Bin Laden is saying the US shot down the plane.

The Navy Officer is quoting him.

The Navy Officer didn't say it, he repeated what Bin Laden said. The prosecutor didn't say it.

He also changed the headline from

Gitmo prosecutor repeats al Qaeda deputy's claim: Flight 93 was shot down on 9/11

to:

Gitmo Prosecutor: Flight 93 Was Shot Down On 9/11!

I like DD, but I'm gonna have to say the mods need to treat this like they would a hoaxster as he just did basically the same thing, tried to fool the ATS site to make his thread more dramatic and generate more responses. That is beyond messed up and now I'm thinking further scrutiny into past threads may be in order.