Originally posted by Blaine91555
A photo of a clean cut person in decent clothes with what looks like stitches in his lips and wire inserted through his cheeks. Location unknown. Who he is unknown. The circumstance unknown. Who was involved unknown. No swelling visible. No blood visible. Healthy skin color. Appears well fed.

Exactly...

Also the guy (to me at least) doesn't actually 'look' like he's got his lips sewn shut (wouldn't they be swollen?), the expression on his face doesn't suggest pain.... and the metal looks a bit 'paintbrush', maybe I'm wrong...

But to me that looks fake.

Sorry, but it does...

Originally posted by DJMessiah
The man is certainly Afghan, by his looks.

So you can tall an Afghan? What ethnic group? You can also tell that he's from Afghanistan? Either you have some serious skills, or you're working beyond your means.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
I have enough experience with working with Photoshop to know that the wires are not photoshoped.

Unfortunately, there are more forms of digital imaging than Photoshop, and simply using that one program doesn't make you an expert in digital manipulation. Unless there's more to your experience. Though I think it's more likely that they dressed him up if it was a fake.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by Johnmike]

This man has serious oral damage. The wiring holds bones and teeth in place inside his mouth as the injuries heals. The wiring is not evidence of maltreatment.

Originally posted by jsobecky
The US attack on Iraq did not begin until March 19, 2003, so this article and photo are obvious lies and fakes.

Well hes is supposedly Afghan isn't he?

Originally posted by Johnmike
So you can tall an Afghan?

Since I'm from there and have countless Afghan friends, why not?

What ethnic group?

He looks to be a Pahstuni, from the northern province.

You can also tell that he's from Afghanistan? Either you have some serious skills, or you're working beyond your means.

Skills I guess.

Unfortunately, there are more forms of digital imaging than Photoshop, and simply using that one program doesn't make you an expert in digital manipulation.

I used to work in web designing, so I can spot doctored photos easily, as well as photos that have been edited in any editing software.

Unless there's more to your experience. Though I think it's more likely that they dressed him up if it was a fake.

The hat and shirt is most certainly not typical Afghan clothing. They did dress him up, and from the looks of it, it was shot in Afghanistan, from my opinion. An inmate would not need that much protection against the cold in Cuba. Afghanistan on the other hand regularly has blizzards on the mountains.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by DJMessiah]

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
There is nowhere near enough evidence to show this wasn't part of some self mutilation or sick hunger strike stunt... and that's if you take the extraordinary step to assume this photo even is of a detainee.

Very good point. This photo could have been taken by a US troop *rescuing* someone who was detained by an enemy.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
This man has serious oral damage. The wiring holds bones and teeth in place inside his mouth as the injuries heals. The wiring is not evidence of maltreatment.

Hello.....the single anonymous poster here has probably nailed the explanation for the wiring.

That guy isn't a prisoner.....as someone mentioned, prisoners aren't permitted to have any cordage long enough to hang themselves....

Torture, by definition, are activities that can be stopped immediately....the prisoner must have the ability to stop the pain or discomfort by talking.

What's the point of torturing someone by sewing their mouth shut?

Huh?

Originally posted by budski



Does the killing of over a million and the displacement of over 4 million embolden the US or the "enemy"

better ask those doing most of the killing, ie fellow Arabs and Muslims

This was on that Tit, Alex Jones', website, need i say anymore? The guys a moron.

I cannot argue that this is a 'fake' photo. I'm not sure how many of you came on the thread making that declaration but offering no alternative explanation as to why this is fake.

It is also unclear why the background of the photo is 'blacked out'. Which is an element supporting the argument that is photo has elements pointing to manipulation.

Wikileaks can not be all that 'disreputable' of a source if the legal system was manipulated to block its releases of information, and then vindicated and restored. Infowars is another matter, but this is not their photo. This is a wikileaks photo. They must have vetted the source to some degree, as they don't simply post everything they get without looking at it.

As for the cord being an indicator that it is fake - that's not entirely accurate. Whoever this person is, and wherever he is, he is 'bagged' and the drawstring at the top of the sack he is in is not within his arms reach, so the assumption that he could use it somehow is silly. That's why they 'bag' people, so they can't use their limbs for anything short of hopping.

Also the timing of the photo does not contribute or distract from its authenticity either. The Norther Afghani's were getting rich seizing anyone who was near or involved with training at the bin Laden-funded camps, turning them in for bounty to the coalition forces or CIA. Many of those who trained to fight against the rogue Afghan warlords were thus turned over as 'terrorists' - grist for their bloody mill.

All this is to say that the only definitive answers will come from a professional analysis of the photo, Although it looked like they had made an effort to indicate such an analysis had been done. Or some definitive evidence showing the location and source of the photo (other than it came form a military source.)

Despite at least one poster who disputes this assertion; I maintain that NO US MILITARY PERSONNEL (unless otherwise coerced) would EVER engage in this kind of treatment of a prisoner - It is clearly proscribed behavior and completely illegal under the UCMJ, let alone standing military doctrine. It's one thing to succumb to the power thrill of terrorizing a prisoner, it's entirely another to mutilate and torture.

Originally posted by Maxmars
As for the cord being an indicator that it is fake - that's not entirely accurate. Whoever this person is, and wherever he is, he is 'bagged' and the drawstring at the top of the sack he is in is not within his arms reach, so the assumption that he could use it somehow is silly. That's why they 'bag' people, so they can't use their limbs for anything short of hopping.

That is clearly not a "drawstring", it's not even attached to the top of the outer garment....nor does the photo factually indicate any "bagging" or "sacking"....

You've made so many assumptions in that paragraph, it's difficult to judge which one to rip up first. What possible indication is there that the string is not within his arm's reach? His arms can't even be seen in the photo.

The man is wearing an olive drab stocking cap, and an olive green sweater. Now what occupation may sustain injuries requiring orthopedic reconstruction? Oh yeah....a soldier.

Originally posted by MrPenny

Originally posted by Maxmars
As for the cord being an indicator that it is fake - that's not entirely accurate. Whoever this person is, and wherever he is, he is 'bagged' and the drawstring at the top of the sack he is in is not within his arms reach, so the assumption that he could use it somehow is silly. That's why they 'bag' people, so they can't use their limbs for anything short of hopping.

That is clearly not a "drawstring", it's not even attached to the top of the outer garment....nor does the photo factually indicate any "bagging" or "sacking"....
You've made so many assumptions in that paragraph, it's difficult to judge which one to rip up first. What possible indication is there that the string is not within his arm's reach? His arms can't even be seen in the photo.
The man is wearing an olive drab stocking cap, and an olive green sweater. Now what occupation may sustain injuries requiring orthopedic reconstruction? Oh yeah....a soldier.

Again, I am not stating this as fact, the source:

Photo of a detainee held by the United States, with his face wired, lips sewn, red eyes and torso sacked. ... The facial wiring is clearly non-medical.

is the point I am addressing. The term 'sacked'? Does that not mean what I described? Or is there a way to do that AND leave arms and hands free?

As for your 'orthopedic' reference, well; what part of 'lip sowing' falls under that medical practice? Weight reduction perhaps?