Similarities With Hitler's Staged Provocations?

Hitler's rise to power in Germany displays a remarkable manipulation of events to develop and explain evil objectives. The Reichstag Fire of February 27, 1933, is a prime example of such behavior. Although it is unclear who actually started the fire, it is undeniable that the Nazis capitalized on the event and manipulated it entirely to their own advantage. Claiming that the fire was a left-wing onslaught against the established state, Hitler persuaded President Hindenburg to sign a decree "for the Protection of the People and of the State." This enabled the state to exercise whatever powers it so wanted in the name of public safety. (Ring a bell?) Certain crimes became punishable by death...

To counter the apparent "crisis" threatening Germany, Hitler proposed a series of programs whereby all the central government would take on all the power and political function of the German states. The Enabling Act of 1933 gave the central government responsibility for all law enforcement and conferred on Hitler exclusive powers of decision making. This effectively transformed Hitler from chancellor to dictator. Hitler's promises that "the government will only make use of these poers insofar as they are essentially for carrying out vitally necessary measures" soon revealed themselves to be completely empty...

On November 7, 1938, a German Jewish refugee, Herschel Grynszpan, shot and killed a German official in Paris. It was the night of November 7 that became known as the "Night of Shattered Glass" or "Krystallnach," as the Nazi mobs rioted, destroying Jewish homes and synagogues and beating and killing the Jews themselves. Thereafter all opponents of the Nazis were merely branded as Jewish sympathizers and seen as criminals...

Am I the only one here who sees similarities with today?

I guess I am the only one who sees the similarities.

I don't see any Jews being pushed around and force to wear the Star of David.

reply to post by Grock


Joseph Goebbels said if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. The question here is who is the one repeating the lie? The Bush people or the 911 Conspirators?

Michael Moore and the 911 Fahrenheit groupies all say there is no terrorist threat. This would mean that al Qaeda isn't a real organization, that bin Laden and the Blind Shiek were CIA agents, that declarations of jihad called against the US are bogus, and Bush is smarter than he looks.

Originally posted by deltaboy
I don't see any Jews being pushed around and force to wear the Star of David.

So... for the US to become a militarized, fascist state, we would have to discriminate against Jews again?

Care to elaborate on your reasoning?

reply to post by bsbray11


Well there have to be some similarities since we are using Hitler as a reference. Why do people tend to make the U.S. govt. compared with the Nazis? If thats how things work, I should use the Jews as a reference as well.

Neat little connection. Prescott Bush funds hitler,over 50 million Russian and chinese killed,japanese civilians nuked x2 the palestinians lose their land, Israel created, united nations created, Bush sr Gulf war 1 Kuwait becomes u.s asset,rockefeller builds the World trade center, sells it to Pull it Silverstien, 6 weeks later it falls, George bush declares war on the middle east on false pretenses. I know I am missing a billion things here.

What's scarry is that none of the above is exagerated or made up.

Originally posted by deltaboy
Well there have to be some similarities since we are using Hitler as a reference.

Ok, so you bring up Jews instead of military conquests, constantly pounding a "threat" to our "homeland security," you know, all the things that fascist states actually have in common throughout history?

Is this the first time you've ever had to come face-to-face with how biased you are?

Why do people tend to make the U.S. govt. compared with the Nazis?

Good question, huh?

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by bsbray11

 

Well there have to be some similarities since we are using Hitler as a reference. Why do people tend to make the U.S. govt. compared with the Nazis? If thats how things work, I should use the Jews as a reference as well.

Sounds like the Protocals of Zion all over again. The similarites between the doctrines of the KKK, Hitler and Qutbists/Islamists are peculiarly suspicious.

reply to post by IvanZana


You make an excellent summary of the case against Bush. Again, I think to make the equation work, you'd have to say bin Laden is in on the deal too. His connection is through his CIA involvement with the Afghanistan War against the Soviets.

On the other hand, you'd have to say there hasn't been an underground movement of pro-Hitler Islamists that infiltrated into the Islamic world during and after World War II.

www.aina.org...

Who knows? The real situation may be a combination of the two case scenarios.

Neat little connection. Prescott Bush funds hitler,over 50 million Russian and chinese killed,japanese civilians nuked x2 the palestinians lose their land, Israel created, united nations created, Bush sr Gulf war 1 Kuwait becomes u.s asset,rockefeller builds the World trade center, sells it to Pull it Silverstien, 6 weeks later it falls, George bush declares war on the middle east on false pretenses. I know I am missing a billion things here.

As long as you making comparisons with what their father might have
done why don't you add

Warren Delano - FDR's grandfather smuggled opium to China

Joseph P Kennedy - JFK's father was a rumrunner during prohibition
and noted Wall Street swindler

9/11 truly was the "New Pearl Harbor," just like the neocons predicted:

From Publishers Weekly

Historians have long debated whether President Roosevelt had advance knowledge of Japan's December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor. Using documents pried loose through the Freedom of Information Act during 17 years of research, Stinnett provides overwhelming evidence that FDR and his top advisers knew that Japanese warships were heading toward Hawaii. The heart of his argument is even more inflammatory: Stinnett argues that FDR, who desired to sway public opinion in support of U.S. entry into WWII, instigated a policy intended to provoke a Japanese attack. The plan was outlined in a U.S. Naval Intelligence secret strategy memo of October 1940; Roosevelt immediately began implementing its eight steps (which included deploying U.S. warships in Japanese territorial waters and imposing a total embargo intended to strangle Japan's economy), all of which, according to Stinnett, climaxed in the Japanese attack. Stinnett, a decorated naval veteran of WWII who served under then Lt. George Bush, substantiates his charges with a wealth of persuasive documents, including many government and military memos and transcripts. Demolishing the myth that the Japanese fleet maintained strict radio silence, he shows that several Japanese naval broadcasts, intercepted by American cryptographers in the 10 days before December 7, confirmed that Japan intended to start the war at Pearl Harbor. Stinnett convincingly demonstrates that the U.S. top brass in Hawaii--Pacific Fleet commander Adm. Husband Kimmel and Lt. Gen. Walter Short--were kept out of the intelligence loop on orders from Washington and were then scapegoated for allegedly failing to anticipate the Japanese attack (in May 1999, the U.S. Senate cleared their names). Kimmel moved his fleet into the North Pacific, actively searching for the suspected Japanese staging area, but naval headquarters ordered him to turn back. Stinnett's meticulously researched book raises deeply troubling ethical issues. While he believes the deceit built into FDR's strategy was heinous, he nevertheless writes: "I sympathize with the agonizing dilemma faced by President Roosevelt. He was forced to find circuitous means to persuade an isolationist America to join in a fight for freedom." This, however, is an expression of understanding, not of absolution. If Stinnett is right, FDR has a lot to answer for--namely, the lives of those Americans who perished at Pearl Harbor. Stinnett establishes almost beyond question that the U.S. Navy could have at least anticipated the attack. The evidence that FDR himself deliberately provoked the attack is circumstantial, but convincing enough to make Stinnett's bombshell of a book the subject of impassioned debate in the months to come.

Copyright 1999 Reed Business Information, Inc.

www.amazon.com...=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216859998&sr=8-1

Originally posted by thedman




Joseph P Kennedy - JFK's father was a rumrunner during prohibition
and noted Wall Street swindler

Not Joe the Joe that was killed in the experimental remote controlled plane as bombs tests? It is.... Damn those kennedy's are hated.


Here is some information about The Bush familiy's connection to the nazi regime.



[edit on 23-7-2008 by IvanZana]

Originally posted by deltaboy
I don't see any Jews being pushed around and force to wear the Star of David.

Bilderberger's - Plotting High Treason Through Subversion Of Government

Political Collusion of a President and Congress in Collapsing America, The Fall of the New Rome

There's your "Yellow Star of David" in that it's not a piece of paper like the last time, this time it is the RFID, or Radio Frequency Identification Device, Verichip, Digital Angel, the biochip.

While the Nazi's were tagging the Jews with the "Yellow Star of David" the U.S. and citizens within this nation were being tagged via the Social Security number, a piece of paper with numbers, and the Jews also had numbers branded into their arms.

HHHmmm,...yellow piece of paper,...tattoo of a number.

HHHmmm,...white piece of paper,...number you are ID'ed with.

Sure sounds similar, doesn't it.

The Prescott Bush youtube is interesting. It makes a good case against Bush being a supporter of Hitler. But how does that help solidify your 911 conspiracy charge? Wouldn't Prescott Bush being pro-Hitler mean he was anti-jewish? And wouldn't that mean that Bush Jr. would also be anti-jewish? If so, then wouldn't Bush Jr. want to support the terrorist groups that are anti-jewish? Wouldn't Bush Jr. work together with bin Laden and help plan 911 even? Yes, this 911 conspiracy is getting bigger and bigger.

Btw, I found this youtube to be just as interesting:

The Association between Naziism and Arab Antisemitism
www.youtube.com...

So the conspiracy isn't that there's a Jewish effort to control the world finances. Rather it's that various people and underground groups are trying to fulfill Hitler's National Socialism ideals and rid the world of Jews. No?

Here's more on the matter:

Saddam's Hitler Connections
www.youtube.com...

So the conspiracy is even bigger than any of us imagined?


[edit on 7/24/2008 by Matrix1111]

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by deltaboy
I don't see any Jews being pushed around and force to wear the Star of David.

HHHmmm,...yellow piece of paper,...tattoo of a number.

HHHmmm,...white piece of paper,...number you are ID'ed with.

Sure sounds similar, doesn't it.

Bush didn't start Social Security. It was Franklin D. Roosevelt, the guy who fought against Hitler. I don't see the comparison.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
9/11 truly was the "New Pearl Harbor," just like the neocons predicted:

www.amazon.com...=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216859998&sr=8-1

This seems to me to be the most likely scenario that explains Bush Jr.'s involvement in the 911 conspiracy, if there is any involvement. He knew it was coming but did nothing to stop it. But it's all conjecture being used by various spin machines for various ulterior motives. That's the nature of history.

Originally posted by Matrix1111

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Originally posted by deltaboy
I don't see any Jews being pushed around and force to wear the Star of David.

HHHmmm,...yellow piece of paper,...tattoo of a number.

HHHmmm,...white piece of paper,...number you are ID'ed with.

Sure sounds similar, doesn't it.

Bush didn't start Social Security. It was Franklin D. Roosevelt, the guy who fought against Hitler. I don't see the comparison.

I never said Bush started Social Security, do not misquote, nor wrongly quote what I say.

Congress began Social Security, and when I said that, it was to say this is much, much deeper than anyone thinks.

Congress promised the citizens of the U.S. that the Social Security card would never become a National I.D. when they implemented it, and now you can't get a job, can't get a car loan, can't get a credit card, without your Social Security I.D.

The Social Security card, and the "Yellow Star of David" are in direct correlation, being that both are a piece of paper, used to identifiy someone.

The Nazi's used it to identify "Herr Juden" before being carted off, and then later tattooed a serial number to the Jews arms.

The U.S. used Social Security to identify the "Citizen" before later breaking their promise of it not being a National I.D., with a number you can not get away from.

This is the implemenation of "becoming a number" within the system.

It's a small cog within a larger cog, in the machine.

If you do not believe what I say, I highly suggest you read IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation where it talks about the Census being done in Nazi Germany with the Hollerith Card sorting machine, one of the first "mechanical computers" where IBM, yes THAT IBM, International Business Machine assisted Hitler in hunting down the Jews through a Census, while within the same timeframe, like within a few years, America had a Census as well.

What I just said is within the topic range because there is so much more to this than just a fire in the Reichstag building and September 11th.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

What I just said is within the topic range because there is so much more to this than just a fire in the Reichstag building and September 11th.

Technology (such as IBM) is a tool. It can be used for good and used for bad. We live in a technological era. Because Hitler used technology and the US uses technology doesn't mean they are the same.

I guess I should spend the time and view your propaganda. But what I've seen so far in my investigations (I'm a fan of Jim Marrs) is that a bias is used in coming to conclusions. It starts with a premise such as "Jews are bad" and tries to prove it. So really all this is about a state of mind of the author of these conspiracy theories. In other words, we see what we want to see.

I prefer to look for the bigger picture. Is there a conspiracy? What is the objective proof? Is the proof spun to suit the premise, while counter-arguments are ignored, censored, or edited?

My spin on it all? All man is evil. Trust no one.

Originally posted by Matrix1111
Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

Wow, you can creatively edit other people's posts, seemingly picking certain comments at will and leaving all the rest of the important information that was pertinent behind.

I applaud you in your agenda of attempting to side-rail anything important being stated within this thread.

*Back To The Regularly Scheduled Thread Topic At Hand*

Yes, the Reichstag fire and September 11th have similarities, both events caused mass populace to fear, and both events caused certain individuals to lose their liberties.

The first step was to give all budgets a swift kick in the butt, increasing capabilities of spying on the citizens.

The second step was to pass laws that make it easier to remove citizens from their houses. This is of course still in the process of happening.

The third step is to begin taking people away, and "detain" them.

A "detainee" is not a prisoner, has no rights whatsoever, because they are not a prisoner, but are only "detained."

The question here is, Matrix1111, are you only stating your opinions, or are you trying to side-rail, de-rail, and drive this topic off the right path?

I've done plenty of other investigation than what I've stated here, I just happened to post here.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]