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the end of the world...a women sits on the red beast (1ST WOMEN PRESIDENT???)

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posted on Mar, 12 2004 @ 06:03 AM
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First of all, I am not an expert at Bible Research and Interpretation. I do what I can to figure out what it's trying to say when, as in this case, the scriptures shift between 'Specific & Generic' definition and 'Literal & Symbolic' meaning. I say this so as not to come off sounding like 'I know it all' when it comes to Scripture, cause I don't. I'm making an educated attempt only, so don't go ballistic if you don't agree or find a problem with my theory. Thanx


First let's prepare a 'Key' to help with the symbolic meanings of certain words that are being used. This helps me out alot when 'decrypting' the language code that is in some scripture. Especially Revelations.
Beast - Kingdom, government
Blood - Life
Cup - Meted(Distributed) out suffering;judgment
Fornication - Illicit connection between church & world
Gold - True riches of heaven, faith, scripture
Heads - Major powers, rulers, governments
Horns - King or Kingdom;Power or Strength
Mountains - Political or Religious Power
Red (color) - Sin;Corruption
Waters - People;Inhabited Area;Nations
Wine - False doctrine/teachings
Woman (Whore-In this specific case only) - The Church - In this form Corrupted, Impure, False, etc.


Now let's look at the lines of Scripture. Below each line will be a translated version using the 'Key' words to try and work out the symbolic meanings hidden or lost from language of then to now.

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw The Impure Church, Most Prominent Among the Sinful Kingdom, full of names of blasphemy, with Seven Kings and Ten Powerful Rulers.

Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

And the False Church adorned with Lavish Wealth & Monetary Riches holding the Scriptures of Judgment and Punishment which speak of these exact same Greedy and Sinful Lifestyles between The Church and the World, and how they are abominations.

Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

And I saw The False Church Using the Lessons of Saints and the True Meaning of Scripture in Impure Ways for False Reasons and I looked upon it in Wonder.


Now, at this point (Revelation 17:7) The Angels try and help John, who is seeing/writing this, to better understand what it is that he is seeing. The reason being that, just like John writes, he was slightly confused or in wondrous awe to this message and what it meant. So they begin to explain certain aspects of where there are 'Double' meanings for certain symbols. **I will allow you to read and/or 'decrypt' those following passages for yourselves this time however.**

Revelation 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Revelation 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


One last thing I'd like to mention is that after going over this again and again, I'm still not 100% sure that 'The Woman' is in fact The Church, in the traditional sense. It may very well be that this 'False Church' and it's 'Religion' is Mis-Use of Technology & Science and/or Law & Government. Manifesting itself in today's form as Cooperate Rule, Greedy & Selfish Living, Corrupt Legal System handing out Punishment and Judgment, etc. It is easy to see that the dividing line between Government Rulers and Religious Rulers is difficult to make out, especially in terms of what is 'True Justice' in Society as a whole, and 'True Morality' in Personal Lifestyle. I won't expand anymore on this now, but thought I'd at least mention it.

I hope this has helped. 'Intelligent and/or Insightful Comments' are most welcome by others who've dug into the deeper meanings of Revelations Mysterious Messages. Comments about my Interpretation and/or Method used above would be interesting to hear as well.




posted on Mar, 13 2004 @ 08:00 AM
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Clinton would be my bet...I could just imagine her going through the later stages of menopause and just playing with the atomic football for fun.



posted on Mar, 13 2004 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by Illmatic67
It also speaks of the woman sitting on a city with seven hills.

Vatican City sits on seven hills.

The prophecy is about Vatican City and the Roman Catholic Church

The church is the beast.



Exactly Illmatic67, isnt the womans name Babylon? And she had fornication with all the kings of world not just one world power. Doesnt that explain why it is somewhat difficult to pick out the Catholic Church in the list of warnings to the 7 churches? Dont you know that even with great scientific discoveries the Catholic Church is there on hand with the science discoveries? Even a priest accompanied Eisenhower on his night excursion to sign a surrender treaty. Amazing where you will find the Catholic Church or the Popes minions popping up.

Is it the sense of nationalism that makes the USA think everything is about it? Like 1st lady President, how bizarre is that? Or maybe people just cant get their beasts, whores and monsters sorted out.


ET3

posted on Mar, 13 2004 @ 09:48 AM
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Based on the way the bibles from various religions put it I would say that about three people in this thread have a real clue as to what it all means. For most all of these so-called mysteries the bibles will give you the answers if one actually reads it. The explanation for mountains, beasts, whores, et all is well explained in it. But the greatest part of this conspiracy leaves the best for last. The beast (government) turns on the whore (religion) and devours their wealth. And, we all know just how greedy governments are for money.



posted on Mar, 13 2004 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by ET3
Based on the way the bibles from various religions put it I would say that about three people in this thread have a real clue as to what it all means. For most all of these so-called mysteries the bibles will give you the answers if one actually reads it. The explanation for mountains, beasts, whores, et all is well explained in it. But the greatest part of this conspiracy leaves the best for last. The beast (government) turns on the whore (religion) and devours their wealth. And, we all know just how greedy governments are for money.


Ah, ha.....Well, by your above statement as a cross reference I'd say I was on the right track then. Your version is what I found is well. You'd think the Whore would be very aware of this happening as well and would have realized that all that sleepin around with the enemy was eventually going to bite them in the @$$!! But, drunken whores don't usually plan ahead too much do they?!?!



posted on Mar, 13 2004 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by groovyguru
Clinton would be my bet...I could just imagine her going through the later stages of menopause and just playing with the atomic football for fun.


ahahahah...the first woman president...could it mean the end of the world?




posted on Mar, 13 2004 @ 10:25 AM
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Oh darn, I made a mega mistake




The church is the beast.

Illmatic67 was incorrect with this statement.
MOjOms definition for beast is better



Beast - Kingdom, government


Does this mean I lose 50 more points for being wrong?



posted on Mar, 13 2004 @ 05:22 PM
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Here's my attempt at Focus...
(or at least clear to me!)

#1 the Angel went on to Reveal the meaning:

--KJV--
Rev 17:18-> And the Woman which thou
sawest is that Great City, which reigneth over
the kings of the earth.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Rev 17:3-> Woman sat upon scarlet beast
>>>>[note SCARLET !! not RED !!]>>[rule by law, order, statute, succession]>[wealth from earth and seas]>[counterfiet chalice, anti-grail??] because 3 ley lines intersect here!
>>>>thats why Hitler rallys there creating 3rd reich and halocaust.
>>>>site where war crimes trials held, mankind metes judgements!

DC- NYC-> the 'whore' chooses babylon as the
site for the 'Mount of Assembly' [ UN Building? ]

Whew, i think i got it all, make any sense?
chew it over in your head,
just trying to get my hands around it too

on the Ley Lines/Nuremberg/Nazi Occult, etc ->

www.mythinglinks.org...


ET3

posted on Mar, 13 2004 @ 10:37 PM
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But, drunken whores don't usually plan ahead too much do they?!?!
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Woman holding a golden cup
>>>>[counterfiet chalice, anti-grail??]



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 08:21 PM
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could the woman represent all evil . This must mean somethin really weird



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:20 PM
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The harlot represents the World Empire of False Religion. This includes any and every religion practiced today (ie. Christianity, Islam, Judiasm, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Shinto, and all the tribal religions.)

The scarlet-colored wild beast means the United Nations in which the member nations will give it the power to dominate and devistate the harlot at a certain time in the future.

The catch 22 situation of this, is that the Creator compels the leaders of the world to give this power to the UN.
They'll conclude that the world is better off without religion because of the harm it caused to many. It has stifled world peace and secuity.



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:47 PM
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Most prophecies in the Bible are a matter of interpretation. Maybe it means something entirerly different. You know, a woman sitting on the Red Beast could be interpreted to mean a woman on her period. Maybe it just felt like the end of the world for whoever wrote that passage when, his woman was "on the red beast". It's all open to interpretation.



posted on Mar, 22 2004 @ 11:58 PM
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You know I had to throw some change in here.

I'm suprised to have it seen to take long for anyone to mention Babylon.

In the Young Life Version of The Journey, in Rev 12:3 The Woman and the Dragon, it metions:

The another sign appeared in Heaven: an enormous Red dragon with seven horns and seven crowns on his heads.

Rev 12:9
the great dragon was hurled down--the ancient servant called the devil or Statan, who leads the whole world astray...

Rev 17:18
the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of earth

which then goes right into rev 18, The Fall of Babylon.

Woman=Babylon
Babylon=USA (IMO)

Rev 18:1-3
After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. With a mighty voice he shouted:

"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons
and a haunt for every evil spirit,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adultries
The Kings of the earth committed adultry with her,
and the merchants of the earth get rich from her
excessive luxuries."


If this does not symbolize the US I do not know what does then. The United States is Babylon, the home for demons and haunt for every evil spirit.(Does anyone see anything between detestable bird, and the Bald Eagle?, I just noticed this). I have stated before in many threads my idea of Babylon, the United States has to be the worse when it comes to porn, drugs/and alcohol addiction, Murder, Greed, Family Values, etc etc, just look at our freakin government. The kings of the earth committed adultry with her...., The worlds involvment with trade and War, Big Business inside the US getting Rich from the luxries it creates.



posted on May, 28 2004 @ 02:32 PM
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remember...Babylon don't make our rules



posted on May, 28 2004 @ 02:42 PM
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Hilary Clinton finally meets her match?



posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 04:45 PM
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HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE, BUT...THE USA IS NOT THE BEAST ! THE USA, BRITAIN AND ALLIES, ALONG WITH ISRAEL WILL FIGHT AND CONQUER THE BEAST AND HIS ALLIES (RUSSIA, GERMANY, LIBYA, ETC.)
THE 7 HEADS REPRESENT 7 KINGDOMS THAT HAVE OPPRESSED THE PEOPLE OF GOD;
1.EGYPT
2. ASSYRIAN EMPIRE
3. BABYLONIAN EMPIRE
4. MEDEO/PERSIAN EMPIRE
5. GRECIAN EMPIRE
6. ROMAN EMPIRE
7. FINAL KINGDOM UNDER ANTICHRIST

10 HORNS REPRESENTS 10 NATIONS (HORNS SIGNIFY POWER) THESE NATIONS WILL BE FORMED IN THE MIDDLE EAST, IT IS A CONFEDERACY OF NATIONS. ONE OF THE LEADERS OF ONE OF THESE COUNTRIES WILL COME UP WITH A PEACE PACT THAT IS ACCEPTED BY ALL IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THAT LEADER WILL BE GIVEN POWER FROM THE REST TO HEAD THEIR CONFEDERACY. PROPHECY ALSO SPEAKS OF BABYLON AS A 'CITY OF MERCHANTS' IN THE FINAL DAYS....I SUSPECT THAT THE WEST AND ALLIES WILL REBUILD BABYLON (20-30 MILES SOUTH OF BAGHDAD) AND POSSIBLY THAT WILL BE WHERE THEY DO THEIR TRADE IN OIL...KINDA LIKE A NEW YORK STYLE BABYLON. I REMEMBER DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE WAR ON IRAQ, THE MEDIA WAS SAYING THAT THERE WERE SOLDIERS POSTED IN SITES WHERE IRAQ'S OLDEST RELIGIOUS RELICS ETC WERE LOCATED TO PROTECT THEM FROM DESTRUCTION.
SADAM THOUGHT HE WAS THE REINCARNATION OF NEBUCHADNEZZAR, HE HAD PETITIONED THE BRITISH MUSEUM TO RETURN SOME ANCIENT SCROLLS THEY HAD IN THEIR POSSESSION THAT WERE FROM THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN EMPIRE. HE ALSO PETITIONED RUSSIA TO GIVE BACK THE GATES OF ISHTAR WHICH WERE IN BABYLON. HE PLANNED TO REBUILD BABYLON.

THE WOMAN IS THE FALSE CHURCH, THE WOMAN ALWAYS (IN ANALOGIES) REPRESENTS GOD'S PEOPLE. POSSIBLY THE RC CHURCH BUT COULD BE ANY CHURCH THAT TEACHES HUMANISM INSTEAD OF GRACE AND FAITH IN CHRIST. CALLED BABYLON BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS WORLDLINESS AND SIN
THE MAJORITY OF CHURCHES TODAY ARE NOT TEACHING CHRIST AS SON OF GOD IN POWER, RAISED FROM THE DEAD...BUT A WATERED DOWN JESUS AS HUMAN ONLY...WITH FOCUS ON HIS 'LOVE' NEVER HIS POWER AND NEVER EVER HIS WRATH.
NO ALL CATHOLICS DON'T GO TO HELL...ONLY THOSE WITHOUT FAITH.

THE WOMAN (PROSTITUTE CHURCH) AND THE FALSE PROPHET HELPS ANTICHRIST COME TO POWER, AND THEN THE CHURCH (WOMAN) WILL BE TAKEN DOWN BY ANTICHRIST BUT AS YOU NOTICE THE FALSE PROPHET IS STILL AROUND, HE'S THE ONE THAT ENFORCES THE TAKING OF THE MARK OF THE BEAST.

THERE ARE PROPHECIES BY FATHER MALACHI, A PRIEST WHO CENTURIES AGO, TOLD OF THE COMING POPES, AND TELLING THINGS ABOUT THEM THAT HAVE SO FAR BEEN ACCURATE...HE PROPHECIES ABOUT THE FINAL POPE WHO IS A TRAITOR. YOU CAN DO A SEARCH ON THE NET FOR THE PROPHECIES OF FATHER MALACHI...I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE I HAD READ THEM.



posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 05:20 PM
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When looking at the Whore Mystery Babylon in Revelation, I think it helps to observe that Revelation often compares and contrasts things. For example, there is a seal of God, and a Mark of the Beast. I think there's a helpful comparison here between the WMB and the Bride of Christ. They are both compared to cities. The Whore Mystery Babylon is the city that committed adultery with the kings of the earth. In contrast, the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven adorned like a bride. Remember also the symbolism of Revelation. A city in the text can symbolize not the geographical city, but a spiritual city- specifically, the people in it. The New Jerusalem is not only physically gates of pearl, walls of precious stones, streets of gold, but spiritually it is a people joined to Christ the Bridegroom. The Church is also called the bride of Christ.

Have you considered this? The Bride of Christ is the true Church- the body of saved believers in Christ. She is also seen as a woman in the wilderness, which symbolizes the time the true church was driven underground and persecuted by the false church. She is also represented by the woman clothed with the sun (like Christ- clothed in the robe of His righteousness that shines like the sun), with the 12 stars on her head- the 12 apostles.

The Whore Mystery Babylon is all who are deceived by the evil one- the false church. THe wine she is drunk on is false doctrine. The fornication with the kings of the earth is where the false church tried to use the state to achieve it's ends. The blood of the saints represents all those persecuted by false churches. The gaudy clothes she is wearing show
that she is not wearing the spotless robe of Christ's righteousness. The woman rides a beast (beasts are kingdoms) meaning that this is a church that gets her support from the state.



posted on Jun, 4 2004 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by AD5673
I bet the beast is Bush


Bush is to stupid to be the beast.


Even Satan would be smarter than that!

Heh

X



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 08:09 AM
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I don't see America as the Red Beast at all. St. John in Apocolypse also spoke of an Eagle, didn't he? The Eagle is America's symbol. Also, the Catholic Church is the beast? Because Rome sits on 7 hills? The fact is that the city of Rome sits on the seven hills - not the Vatican. Vatican City is it's own country apart from Rome. The Vatican is NOT on the seven hills.

The woman riding the beast. Hillary. Why? Because I hate her and in my mind she fits. Not too scientific or theological, but that's the best I can do.



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by AlnilamOmega

NO
NO NO NO
this is sexist BULL#. the worst sexist crap I have read in a long time. everyone fears a female president because they know she wouldn't be so tolerant of the good ol' boys club that exists in our crappy government.


Pish Tosh Poppycock. Why the flip would a woman president be less tolerant? They're gonna have to cosy up to that very same old boys club in order to get in power. Why should they then be expected to turn around and start kicking up fuss. Harking back to Pisky's comment about Thatcher, she was fully involved in said old boys club, despite being female. She was simply a good politician, commited to helping out special interests and vigorously screwing the public. Why should any female politician who manages to get to the presidency behave differently.




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