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reply posted on 23-7-2008 @ 06:23 PM by Double Eights
"anti-democratic" - Dennis Kucinich.

I want everyone to repeat after me... We are a Republic, NOT a Democracy.

?The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind." - Thomas Jefferson

“We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy.” - Alexander Hamilton

"A Republic, if you can keep it." - Benjamin Franklin, when asked by a woman while he was leaving the Constitutional Convention what kind of government they had given us.
"[the framers of the Constitution] intended our government should be a republic, which differs more widely from a democracy than a democracy from a despotism.” - Congressman Fisher Ames

“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a republican form of government.” - from the US Constitutitution

"I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands." - from the Pledge of Allegiance

“The honest and serious student of American history will recall that our Founding Fathers managed to write both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution without using the term ‘democracy’ even once. No part of any of the existing state Constitutions contains any reference to the word. [The men] who were most influential in the institution and formulation of our government refer to ‘democracy’ only to distinguish it sharply from the republican form of our American Constitutional system.” - Clarence Manion - Dean of Notre Dame Law School 1950's


Enough with the "democracy" bull#! I respect Dennis Kucinich and love what he is trying to do, but I don't understand why he (and many many others) continue to call our type of government a "democracy" or "democratic."


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reply posted on 23-7-2008 @ 07:29 PM by Daedalus
It's about goddamn time.

Starred and flagged.



reply posted on 23-7-2008 @ 08:36 PM by Skipper1975
reply to post by jhill76



good deal...we need to remove all of the traitor scum in government...


then we need NESARA or something like it...
www.nesara.us...



much love to all beings of light and to those who want to be of light


reply posted on 23-7-2008 @ 09:36 PM by alienj
It has become annoyingly commonplace for republics, whether they are the United States or the State of Nevada, to be referred to as democracies, without regard to the meaning of the word or the implications it brings with it.


A republic is a government in which a restricted group of citizens form a political unit, usually under the auspice of a charter, which directs them to elect representatives who will govern the state. Republics, by their very nature, tend to be free polities, not because they are elected by the citizens of the polity, but because they are bound by charters, which limit the responsibilities and powers of the state. The fact that people vote for representatives has nothing to do with making anything free. The logical consistency and rationality of the charter, as well as the willingness of the people to live by it, is what keeps people free.

A democracy is government by the majority. There is still a restricted group of citizens in a democracy, but this group rules directly and personally runs the state. The group may delegate specific tasks to individuals, such as generalships and governorships, but there is no question that the ruling force in a democracy is not a charter (if there even is a charter), but the vote of the majority. Democracies are free only if the people know what freedom is and are consistent in their application of it. If they don't know this, or more appropriately, if a majority of the people don't know this, then a democracy could be just as tyrannical as the worst dictator (see Socrates' forced suicide by the Athenian democracy.)

a democracy will always become a tyranny, either by majority, or if the majority screw things up so badly and a tyrant seizes power from the ensuing chaos. The overriding characteristic of democracy is subjectivism and that is its fatal flaw. In other words, reason is irrelevant, whatever the majority wants, it gets and regardless of how unprincipled or objectionable it may be
www.capmag.com...



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reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 02:57 PM by SRTkid86
reply to post by Blaine91555



ok well, what are Bush's latest approval ratings? aren't they in the 20% range.... i find it hard to believe this country is going to be "ripped apart for no reason" when just about everyone in America hates Bush and wants the man gone.

also doesn't this impeachment open up the opportunity for a legal hearing on his violations of national and international law? what im asking, is, isn't there a chance that if found guilty, he would also have to be hel responsible for the deaths of american troops etc???

if so, i want to the see the dumb son of a bitch rot in prison for the rest of his life. maybe even waterboarded a little bit before we throw the mask on him and drag his sorry ass out to the shooting squad.


reply posted on 24-7-2008 @ 04:34 PM by guyopitz
The way I look at it, all the tyranny and oppression this globalist government lays on the people is retarding our true potential. If every man sought to help his brothers learn to thrive then there would be plenty for all and there would be no need for domination. Teach a man to fish and he can feed himself, that sort of thing. You can help humanity grow and bring in a new renaissance or you can bury us with injustice. You can fund education or you can fund war. I think these people have picked their side. There is a lack of compassion in the current elite with a few exceptions like T Boone Pickens but most people are jaded and mercenary. Out for number one and let everyone else rot. It's not the way.

We live in 2008, we wield superscience the likes of which 50's sci-fi movies could only dream of. We have internet, the single greatest communication/education tool ever devised allowing for people to cooperate on great projects and collaborate with people across the world with diverse skills, our computers can translate everything and the language barriers are dropping. We can see more of the universe on every scale from the tiniest particles to the deepest parts of space than anyone on earth has ever seen. For thousands of years ancient astronomers wished for the powers we wield to learn about this existence. We understand as a modern culture that exploring and colonizing other worlds and exploring space is the true future of humanity. Bieng a space faring species is the next step. We need to get over our growing pains, evolve and overcome everything life throws at us.
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