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posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 12:37 PM
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Excuseme if i am wrong in this situation, but is it true that who ever doesnt beleive in God and follow the teachings of God will go to hell??

If this is right, then wat about the people that have never been exposed to religion??....And an example of this is people that live in remote tribes that have never been exposed to the Christian religion or other sort of religion. Are these people going to hell, becasue they were never giventhe opppourtunity to choose??...Is god going to say 'Well, they were never exposed to it, so they get a by or automatic accension to heaven"....

Also wat about people that lived before the time the bible was being written?....Surely before that time people were able to concieve wat was right and wrong, but jsut never thought of a "hell" existing, so they never bothered to follow anything, because it jsut wasnt available to them?...

Feel free to bash/disprove any of this...




posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 01:24 PM
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can you find the word hell in the king james version of the bible for me?
Gehenna is all i found
a place to burn dead bodies outside of town



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 01:29 PM
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Bible, King James Version
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Deut.32
[22] For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
2Sam.22
[6] The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;
Job.11
[8] It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?
Job.26
[6] Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.
Pss.9
[17] The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Pss.16
[10] For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Pss.18
[5] The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.
Pss.55
[15] Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
Pss.86
[13] For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
Pss.116
[3] The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
Pss.139
[8] If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Prov.5
[5] Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.
Prov.7
[27] Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
Prov.9
[18] But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
Prov.15
[11] Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?
[24] The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.
Prov.23
[14] Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
Prov.27
[20] Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.
Isa.5
[14] Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Isa.14
[9] Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
[15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa.28
[15] Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
[18] And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Isa.57
[9] And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell.
Ezek.31
[16] I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
[17] They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
Ezek.32
[21] The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
[27] And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
Amos.9
[2] Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
Jonah.2
[2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
Hab.2
[5] Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:
4Ezra.2
[29] My hands shall cover thee, so that thy children shall not see hell.
4Ezra.4
[8] Peradventure thou wouldest say unto me, I never went down into the deep, nor as yet into hell, neither did I ever climb up into heaven.
4Ezra.8
[53] The root of evil is sealed up from you, weakness and the moth is hid from you, and corruption is fled into hell to be forgotten:
Tob.13
[2] For he doth scourge, and hath mercy: he leadeth down to hell, and bringeth up again: neither is there any that can avoid his hand.
Wis.16
[13] For thou hast power of life and death: thou leadest to the gates of hell, and bringest up again.
Wis.17
[14] But they sleeping the same sleep that night, which was indeed intolerable, and which came upon them out of the bottoms of inevitable hell,
Sir.21
[10] The way of sinners is made plain with stones, but at the end thereof is the pit of hell.
Sir.51
[5] From the depth of the belly of hell, from an unclean tongue, and from lying words.
[6] By an accusation to the king from an unrighteous tongue my soul drew near even unto death, my life was near to the hell beneath.
[66] O Ananias, Azarias, and Misael, bless ye the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever: far he hath delivered us from hell, and saved us from the hand of death, and delivered us out of the midst of the furnace and burning flame: even out of the midst of the fire hath he delivered us.
Matt.5
[22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
[29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
[30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matt.10
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt.11
[23] And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Matt.16
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matt.18
[9] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Matt.23
[15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
[33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mark.9
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Luke.10
[15] And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.
Luke.12
[5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Luke.16
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Acts.2
[27] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
[31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Jas.3
[6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
2Pet.2
[4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Rev.1
[18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Rev.6
[8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Rev.20
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 01:31 PM
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When I was kristjan, I was told that only those exposed that did not accept would go to hell. If they were not exposed to it before death, they were saved by default. It is an accountability thing build in to the theology. Same goes for young children (basically 12 and earlier) and those that die at birth. There is an age of accountability, and no one too young or anyone never exposed will go to hell. Only those who are exposed to the theology, and decide not to accept it as truth.

I have packed my bags.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 01:52 PM
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If they were not exposed to it before death, they were saved by default.



I am sorry but what you were told is ludicrous. It cant be right. I can't believe that if I had never heard of Jesus Christ but was evil incarnate (lie, murder, torture, steal, thief, persecute, terrorize, etc.) and go to bed happy and pleased with myself for it that I would end up in Heaven. There has to be some sort of status quo.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by LuDaCrIs
Excuseme if i am wrong in this situation, but is it true that who ever doesnt beleive in God and follow the teachings of God will go to hell??

If this is right, then wat about the people that have never been exposed to religion??....And an example of this is people that live in remote tribes that have never been exposed to the Christian religion or other sort of religion. Are these people going to hell, becasue they were never giventhe opppourtunity to choose??

Also wat about people that lived before the time the bible was being written?....Surely before that time people were able to concieve wat was right and wrong, but jsut never thought of a "hell" existing, so they never bothered to follow anything, because it jsut wasnt available to them?...

Actually, that was pretty the Catholic Shurch's view prior to the mid-1960s.

I believe there is one Supreme Being. This Being goes by many names. If you lead a good life, you will end up in a good place. I guess we could call it heaven.

Hell??? I don't know that there is one. There sure seem to be lots of folks who are trying their damndest for a spot in hell
But, somehow I think there is cosmic justice for evilness. Esp. those in power who are evil.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Hell??? I don't know that there is one. There sure seem to be lots of folks who are trying their damndest for a spot in hell
But, somehow I think there is cosmic justice for evilness. Esp. those in power who are evil.


Are u trying to say that hell doesnt exist??...Doesnt the bible say it exists???...

And plus i dunno if it matters where it is, and may i remind you I dont know much about the bible and so forth, but where in there does it say that u go to hell if u dont follow wat "the truth" is???....And where in the bible does it say that ppl are excempt from hell if they werent exposed to it or were a certain age??....Or are people just assuming this is how it works???...



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 02:32 PM
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I agree that hell does not exist.

The bible may say it does, but you are working with one theology when looking at the bible. To a non kristjan, the bible is not "the truth" therefor weather it says hell exists or not, is irrelevent.

This is like a kristjan saying that magic is the work of the devil. A Shaman does not believe in the devil, so, in their theology, what the kristjan is saying is null.


1965, I only said this as this is what I was taught by three different churches (all different denominations, lutheran, baptist, and methodist) two of which kicked me out for my beliefs. Different churches may have a different outlook. I was only relaying what I had been taugh in my days of kristjianity. But again, I have to reiterate, I don't believe in hell anyway, so to me, no one goes there no matter what religion they are.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 02:40 PM
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Listen, you're right, but hell isn't exacly what you think it is, in the strict biblical sense.

John 3:16

For God so loved his only begotten son that he gave him that whomever shall believe in him will not die, and be given life everlasting.

or something like that. It was off the top of my head.

'Everlasting Life' is really your ability to go to heaven when you die.


'hell' is nothing. Darkness. Your soul ceases to percieve, and you're banished to nothingness, devoid of life, love, happiness, and all that.

'heaven' is a place where your soul can go after you die, and you percieve things, and have love and happiness, and all that jazz.

Hope that helps.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 02:50 PM
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I like the idea that "hell" is actually more of a crash coarse in all what you did wrong...and how to coreect that..

I believe that an evil person is created here on earth and not in the spiritual realm...If your born to a crack smoker in a horrible place with an extremly violent and abusive father I would guess that the off-spring of those indiviuals would have a pretty decent chance of becoming an "evil" person destened to hell..

God must understand this and so I cannot belive that there is a real hell because I think that all people are created pure...not evil in anyway at all...evil comes from your experience..IMO of coarse

NO hell...only a time of learning in a pure realm in which you are not exposed to the evils of selfishness



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 02:52 PM
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Well now there are no tribes that dont know about religiom or Christianity, if they choose to live like uncilvilized people problem they know what religiom is, and what civilization is, and yes who ever does not belive in Jesus, or God, and follow or try to follow his teachings they will go to hell, and or belive that Jesus is the Massiah (savior).



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 03:05 PM
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seeing as how people beleive in variuos religions, it jsut doesnt seem fair that people should go to hell becasue they were brought up outside of a christian family....am i wrong to say this. How can a person that has grown up with beleifs other than christian ones be condemmed to hell if thats all they were exposed to??....

I thought God was Just and understanding....he seems to be very closed minded in this situation.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 03:08 PM
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Then it doesn't really have to make sense. The bible tells you one thing, and then another happens.

God loves all his children.
Unless those children love the other children of the same sex, then God blows the hell out of your city.

God Is all-knowing.
But he can never seem to find people who he wants to talk to, unless someone tells him. (Cain&Abel, Adam&eve...)

God is just
...not really all he's cracked up to be.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 03:41 PM
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In answer to your question about what happens to those who havent heard of Jesus, or God:

For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus. (Romans 2:14-16)

As for the question on what will happen to those who dont believe and dont follow Jesus' teachings.. John is a really powerful book on this.. I reccommend John 5



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 03:54 PM
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i love fairy tales.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Satyricon
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i love fairy tales.


And I hate dump posts.


[Edited on 11-3-2004 by Agent47]



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 03:54 PM
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Double.

[Edited on 11-3-2004 by Agent47]



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by LuDaCrIs
seeing as how people beleive in variuos religions, it jsut doesnt seem fair that people should go to hell becasue they were brought up outside of a christian family....am i wrong to say this. How can a person that has grown up with beleifs other than christian ones be condemmed to hell if thats all they were exposed to??....

I thought God was Just and understanding....he seems to be very closed minded in this situation.

Well, I don't think that happens.

God is non-denominational. God is beyond Christain, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etal.
It is how you live your life.

It has nothing to do with the bible, which was apparently written to show jews and christians how to live.



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Satyricon
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i love fairy tales.


I love how the best thing the vehement antichristian's can come up with is that all of us that believe are sheep.

Yet, I contend that many antichristian's are most likely just lazy and selfish and dont wish to put thought and time into actually researching all of the intricacies of the religions that inhabit this world.... to filter and fiber for themselves. So, they would rather just hide behind a facade of mock superiority and watch some more *Insert whatever vapid television programming* or play some more *Insert whatever fabulously gory video game*

*end sarcasm*

Blanket statements arent always accurate, eh?




[Edited on 11-3-2004 by GanjaGoddess]



posted on Mar, 11 2004 @ 04:10 PM
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Yet, I contend that many antichristian's are most likely just lazy and selfish and dont wish to put thought and time into actually researching all of the intricacies of the religions that inhabit this world.... to filter and fiber for themselves. So, they would rather just hide behind a facade of mock superiority and watch some more *Insert whatever vapid television programming* or play some more *Insert whatever fabulously gory video game*

*end sarcasm*

yeah thats me alright. well allow me to retort. i love how you *sheep** beleive in junk written 2000 years plus before you existed, without questioning it, dedicating prescious existance to invisible men, because you cant make it through this crazy place without a little help, a little comfort, without someone strong to guide you.


deaf and dumb and blind and born to follow




i spit on your christ skull# your lord sodomize your virgin piss on mr mohummond and other unpleasantries to anyone who believes anything. this means YOU!





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