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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:06 AM
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Well,being new to the world of conspiracy theories I'm curious about Alex Jones as well so I'm glad the OP started this thread.Lifes too short and things happen too fast in this world right now to trek through all the Alex arguments on the forums.I listen to his show too and apart from the cheesy adverts and his lack of understanding about socialism and paganism(and he's not the only guilty party here)I think he makes an important contribution by exposing human rights/police/tptb abuses.At least people can contact him if they've been # on from a great height by someone in authority.But I was curious about him too so I emailed him about the accusations that he is a temporal adjudicator.He has'nt replied yet.I still listen to his show and I love it when he loses it and throws and tantrum ,plays pretty cool music too.Well ,you can't fault him for his commitmtment but to me Alex is like everyother prominent person in this feild-there is as many good and bad things said about him as you could shake a stick at but who do you believe?By the way what did happen in Trinidad I'm intruiged?Did he get drunk on his holidays and dance badly?




posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:16 AM
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Originally posted by candyfloss
Well,being new to the world of conspiracy theories I'm curious about Alex Jones as well so I'm glad the OP started this thread.Lifes too short and things happen too fast in this world right now to trek through all the Alex arguments on the forums.I listen to his show too and apart from the cheesy adverts and his lack of understanding about socialism and paganism(and he's not the only guilty party here)I think he makes an important contribution by exposing human rights/police/tptb abuses.At least people can contact him if they've been # on from a great height by someone in authority.But I was curious about him too so I emailed him about the accusations that he is a temporal adjudicator.He has'nt replied yet.I still listen to his show and I love it when he loses it and throws and tantrum ,plays pretty cool music too.Well ,you can't fault him for his commitmtment but to me Alex is like everyother prominent person in this feild-there is as many good and bad things said about him as you could shake a stick at but who do you believe?By the way what did happen in Trinidad I'm intruiged?Did he get drunk on his holidays and dance badly?


i guess my issue is with the fact that he sells all that stuff that would be so handy if what he predicts comes true. unfortunately he has been running that game for 20 years. sold alot of stuff to help people survive the impending endtimes but 20 years is a long time to be wrong about martial law coming. i also worry that if he is to make accusations without proof and claim admissions where there are none, then what good is any of the rest of what he says? he talks about guns and fighting back so much that it seems to me he would do more of a disservice by giving the government a reason to come take peoples guns away, after all, alex is insighting a revolution is he not? anyway, he gets mad and yells and cute people off a la bill o'really? and that does not help him seem credible. i am worried about human rights violations, loss of civil liberties and on and on but what good does it do me if i am getting upset over things that did NOT really happen. know what i mean. if he is getting us worked up over a fiction...isnt that false flag terrorism? so is he not now guilty of treating us the exact same way as the supposed NWO treats us?

before his rabid fans bark back - i am not saying EVERYTHING he says is a lie.

as far as trinidad goes, are the links not working? anyone that can confirm my link to the trinidad story is ok? it works for me. both times i put it up. anyway, the short of it is, he went to help a patriotic christian family during a government seige, they let him bring cameras on the condition that the footage would not be released until the situation was resolved. shortly after leaving, alex sold the film for (apparently) $500 bucks, giving the gov all the intel they needed on the setup to raid the home...you will have to read the rest yourself. not to be rude but i do not see any point in typing out all the words from a text only website that i conveniently hyperlinked earlier.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:23 AM
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Sorry for such a late reply. Sure Alex has been flat wrong and I can understand how people feel about it. Some of his sources may have been the cause of that. As far as Y2K it wasn't all just about Alex Jones, there was real mass hysteria from abroad from a wide range of people worldwide. We're are very lucky it was a normal day. Imagine how that could have set us all back, it was definitely a real scare of the unknown. Alex I think was only putting out the awareness and possibilities that Y2K could cause problems with nuclear energy. Which makes sense, what you going to do about computer clocks and computers shutting down all across the grid in a nuclear plant? That's a scary scenario!

I commend what Alex does, sure he makes money off his video's, but he is trying to wake people up of tyranny that goes on around. laws being changed on a daily basis that you know nothing about that literally strips your rights away. He's out there questioning your government. Even your forefathers warned of government tyranny and to question their motives regularly. If you don't we are all doomed and you will be at the whim of dictatorship and fascism. The government is for the people and by the people, but many government employees tend to forget that they work for the public. The government is not it's own entity.

Everyone has a voice and opinion and should exercise that right! Get your votes in, get involved more. Go to county meetings more often voice your opinions! Setup a meeting to see the mayor in person. These people are in there working for you! Surely laws need to be rewritten, because they are old and outdated. Some have loopholes that don't help the working man, it helps the crooks. IE.. What kind of reason is there to process and convict a murderer, only to house him and put him on death row for 20 years? The judicial system is the biggest scam ever!! The victim of these people aren't victimized just once they are victimized over and over and over, by the very courts and laws that's sworn to protect them. Soon the entire society is a victim because we have to pay for it indefinitely.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by sean]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:24 AM
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Okay,thanks for your reply.Sorry ,I did'nt see the Trinidad link as this such a long thread.Not impressed by his actions over Trinidad but in some ways I'm not surprisedas that's what people in the media do alot of the time-betray trust for their own ends.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:28 AM
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Do you have proof that the Trinidad story is true?

How valid is the site you found it on? It doesn't look very trustworthy.

I wouldn't trust something just because it is on the internet - I mean that is where the reptilians are and they aren't true. Right?

I fail to see your proof - perhaps you have none.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by candyfloss
Okay,thanks for your reply.Sorry ,I did'nt see the Trinidad link as this such a long thread.Not impressed by his actions over Trinidad but in some ways I'm not surprisedas that's what people in the media do alot of the time-betray trust for their own ends.


no prob, thanks for you post. and didnt mean to seem rude but some people asked after i posted the link the first time and another moron keeps asking even after i posted it twice.

ps to TT

i already stated that this page looked less that perfectly credible. i found several other aricles stating the same thing but this was the one with ALL the details in it. i also asked if anyone could confirm or deny that this happend and happend this way. see i already questioned its validity, in fact you already replied to me saying i am not sure this is true, here is the story, anyone have any confirmation on this. but that would require you to pay attention to every post and not just the ones you find fun to reply obnoxiously to. the article raises questions, THAT I ASKED HERE. i never said it proves anything.

[edit on 7/29/2008 by re22666]

Mod Edit: You've got a U2U

[edit on 29-7-2008 by Gemwolf]



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:39 AM
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I have sat here and read this whole thread front to back.... to the OP... how are you going to ask other people to "prove" things to you and then tell them to shut the hell up? How about get off your lazy backside, use google, and look things up for yourself? Alex Jones has even told his listeners wht to type into google and how to find the things he is reporting on.

You say you looked into Bohemian Grove, you didnt see any mock sacrafice just some kind of ritual...now isn't a human sacrafice usually done in a ritualistic fashion? How many people do you know who hold rituals of any kind? Does this seem like normal behavior that you would expect to see from elected officials?

Every single post you have made in one way or another you have contridicted yourself. "I'm not aksing for proof, but prove it" Are you kidding me? I am amazed people have played your little game all this time, but then you want to tell people to shut the hell up? You want to call people morons because you disagree with thier views? I am not trying to be insulting when I ask this, but do you have somekind of a head injury? have you suffered from some kind of head trama? Your actions in this thread are not the actions I would have expected from a sane person who is simply trying to find the truth.

You eve n had people give you a list of things to look into you and your refused. Instead asking, "How does this prove anything he says?" This may seem like a far out concept but go read the documents. Read patriot act 1 and 2. Read what you can of PDD 51. Read it for yourself and then you can come tell me if it validates anything A.J. says on his show. However it seems tome you have no real interest in knowing if it is truth or nonsense...so for you I have a much better suggestion. You have already made your mind up about A.J. so maybe its time to stop listening to his show.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:44 AM
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re22666, please check your U2Us.



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by TruthTellist
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Do you have proof that the Trinidad story is true?

How valid is the site you found it on? It doesn't look very trustworthy.

I wouldn't trust something just because it is on the internet - I mean that is where the reptilians are and they aren't true. Right?

I fail to see your proof - perhaps you have none.

I was confused as the only Trinidad I had heard of was in the West Indies .I take it it's in the US.I know what you mean but this is a permanent problem as far as conspiracies etc are concerned.How do any of us know what is true unless we've had first hand experience and that is pretty rare.How do we discern truth from didnfo without this advantage?



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:54 AM
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Trinidad, Texas USA



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 04:07 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 04:26 AM
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posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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ok, back to the topic at hand.

today i caught just a few moments of alex's show, somedays i hear alot less than others. he was speaking of a guest he was about to have on because "this fella has some really truly good information." then he spent a good 2 minutes proclaiming that he did call the guy on his complete fabrications about Ron Paul and would do it again but he was still happy to have the guy on for his good info.

ok...so the guy lies about ron paul
so lets have him on to tell the people the good info he has
but not the ron paul stuff, that is lies

why would he have a guest like this on, let alone his good buddy jordan maxwell, which completely flies in the face of all alex supporters. he also mentioned the admissions of our us government that chemtrails are full of chemicals and drugs. now i have looked as far as i can. anyone that can find these admissions would be my hero. it has gotten to the point in this thread that even though alex' fans have been the most loquacious on the subject, i am still sitting in need of one, just one, post that links me to, or shows me any of the admissions i hear of every day on his show. soo we have evidence that he is a fraud but id like to not call that proof yet either. but some evidence the other way would really do the alex fans a favor anytime now.

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posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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Although Alex Jones doesn't nearly go as far as Jeff Rense or Art Bell, he has the same tendency of mixing proven facts with unproven assumptions. On top of that, his behavior can be utterly hilarious at times.

I personally believe he is an establishment pawn intended to discredit "conspiracy theorists".


Originally posted by re22666
I hear his show from time to time but only in little chunks of ten minutes here and there. Some stuff he says that sounds kinda crazy checks out, if a little exaggerated. but then other stuff doesn't. the reason i really ask is because every time i have come across his name on ATS, it is followed by vitriol. so he seems to be pretty hated. just curious what is up with him? how much of what he says is worth listening to aside from the entertainment of it?



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by OutoftheBoxthinker
Although Alex Jones doesn't nearly go as far as Jeff Rense or Art Bell, he has the same tendency of mixing proven facts with unproven assumptions. On top of that, his behavior can be utterly hilarious at times.

I personally believe he is an establishment pawn intended to discredit "conspiracy theorists".


Originally posted by re22666
I hear his show from time to time but only in little chunks of ten minutes here and there. Some stuff he says that sounds kinda crazy checks out, if a little exaggerated. but then other stuff doesn't. the reason i really ask is because every time i have come across his name on ATS, it is followed by vitriol. so he seems to be pretty hated. just curious what is up with him? how much of what he says is worth listening to aside from the entertainment of it?


that is interesting, i have only heard the "disinfo agent" a few times recently, it was kind of new to me. not to question that, it would make sense just fine. does anyone have any kind of evidence to back that up? i have seen him accused of working for the CIA as well but so far cannot find anything to really prove anything there.



posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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You Americans don't know how lucky you are to have Alex Jones.

He lends a strong voice to your Constitution and speaks truth to power.

He is the constant target of US government psy-ops and disinfo campaigns yet he will not back down.

Alex Jones; A True American Hero....

Regardless of what the disinfo agents will say, and they will say all sorts of nonsense - they often start threads and repetitive posts which often abnormally persist

as a means to prevent new people from tuning in to Alex Jones. Such tactics cause a psychological association between Mr. Jones and the disinfo messages (ie. Alex Jones CIA Connection) they wish to implant into your psyche.

This will cause you to be dismissive of the things Alex Jones says - even though he backs up everything with documentation and tells you where to find the files/documents for yourselves. Even though he only reports on things that are made public or declassified, the Mene (disinfo) will be stuck in the back of your mind and that particular truth will not have as much weight as it should have.

Your primitive subconscious will suspect that Alex may be lying, now that it has been implanted with disinfo - this is especially true for those who are just finding out about Alex Jones and can even cause them to turn away from him entirely.

This is why subliminal and disinfo tactics are considered illegal and unconstitutional... People have a right to live without having their minds molested with Government lies and psy-op tactics.

Those participating in the suppression of the constitution ( by disseminating disinfo) are just creating more evidence to be used against them when the War Crimes Trials are held...

...shortly after Ron Paul is allowed to be President by the Bilderbergers.



posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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I take issue with Mr Jones and others like him for a number of reasons. For one they are fearmongers in the extreme. After a very close study I find that either they are ignoranat or they are playing down the significance of the matter and are withholding crucial infomation on the subjects that they are informing the masses about! Mr Jones in particular always talks about the controlers of the world and trys to place blame on them for all the ills of mankind. He also trys to make them look sinister and refers to them as Devil worshippers.

What he is doing in playing off the fears and insecurities of the majority, scratching only the surface of the real issue and who these people are and why they exist. Any time some one trys to paint the picture as, they are wrong I'm right, they are Evil we are good, it immediately sets off alarms for me because nothing in life is ever that simple. Their is a question that never seems to be asked, if the people that are controling the world are so smart and educated, why then would they be so menacing. Alex Jones would have you believe that some of the smartest people in the world are some how illinformed or misguided in some way, and that the common man has a better grasp on things. Once you start thinking logically then you start to notice that it might be the other way around. I for one don't think he is helping to shed light on what is really going on, the real problems we are facing. To go even further, I think he is making things worse on purpose! I could go on but it would take to many words to articulate and it has been proven that peoples attention span aren't very long.

Here is something to think about.. When some one has a problem and are unable to solve the problem on their own, some one else has to step in and do it for them in most cases. Usually when some one else has to solve the problem for them it doesn't quite work out the way they wanted it to, nevertheless the problem has to be solved..

















[edit on 7/31/2008 by XcLuciFer]



posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by TruthTellist
You Americans don't know how lucky you are to have Alex Jones.


This will cause you to be dismissive of the things Alex Jones says - even though he backs up everything with documentation and tells you where to find the files/documents for yourselves. Even though he only reports on things that are made public or declassified, the Mene (disinfo) will be stuck in the back of your mind and that particular truth will not have as much weight as it should have.




ummmm. no. that is my point. he does not tell you where you can find EVERYTHING. i listened for a half hour straight. i heard "this is admitted", "this was in the mainstream folks", "all declassified." ok i looked, since he never told me where to look as you say, it was difficult. guess what i have found....NOTHING.
and do not say it is because i have not listened to everything, before the last year, i used to listen to the entire show and he rarely actually spells out where this proof he always mention can be found.

i asked you to provide some. apparently it is very easy to get right?
he tells you right where it is right?

so help a poor ignorant ol soul out and lets say...tackle any of the ones i have mentioned hearing recently in earlier posts. please show me the admissions and proof. i will respond to you again when i see some ACTUAL proof. rock solid, undeniable proof. alex says it is all there.



posted on Jul, 31 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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Alex also says "Do Not Defend Me. Spend your time Fighting the New World Order and informing people! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!"

...or something to that effect. You really must form your own opinions.

Don't let strangers tell you what to believe. And don't believe it just because it is on the internet.

Google: NSPDD51, REX- 84, John Warner Defense Commission Act, SPP, Bohemian Grove.

I won't post the contents from other websites on here for you. I will give you keywords so you can do your own research. Don't believe me, google them.






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