what is the deal with Alex Jones

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posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 08:42 AM
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reply to post by Azrael75
 


I have already re-linked the AIDs documents several times throughout this thread.

Please read the thread, wherein you will find the document you are looking for.

I won't do your research for you.

You have to learn to be more *independent in your research efforts


*that means 'less dependent' on everyone else.




posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by Azrael75
 


I have already re-linked the AIDs documents several times throughout this thread.

Please read the thread, wherein you will find the document you are looking for.

I won't do your research for you.

You have to learn to be more *independent in your research efforts


*that means 'less dependent' on everyone else.


I already read the document you linked to ONCE.
There was no declassified document that stated that either AIDS or HIV were developed on purpose. There was also no admission by anyone that they developed either as a weapon. Maybe YOU should reread this thread. This has already been pointed out but you failed to respond to it last time.



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 09:02 AM
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I linked several times to the AIDS docs.

I do not believe you read them or bothered to search the links. If you did, please post the link for everyone else to see.



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by Azrael75
 


I linked several times to the AIDS docs.

I do not believe you read them or bothered to search the links. If you did, please post the link for everyone else to see.


You want me to post a link that you posted to prove that I read it? I read an entire packet of PDF files that were about how aids was devised as a weapon for population control. There were bills with vague names and purposes but NONE of which actually were for the developement of AIDS. None were admissions of culpability in such a project.
If there is another link that I apparently missed then asking me to post would do little good now would it.
How about I humbly offer that I may have missed this solid proof you say you linked to many times. Please tell me where exactly you posted it, or repost it. Because after searching this entire thread, I still see NO DOCUMENTS THAT EITHER SHOW AN ADMISSION OR DEMONSTRATE DECLASSIFIED INFO ON THE DEVELOPEMENT OF AIDS AS A WEAPON. All there is is the packet of fiction that I just described. Feel free to post anything else that would do better.



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Trauma
reply to post by Azrael75
 


Start being specific about the supposedly false claims of Alex Jones!
There are SO many declassified documents that I really don't know where to start.
I need an example of one of these false claims so that I can investigate.

To answer the other question:
We are this many pages deep with STILL no meat to the thread because of the OP and others needlessly trolling off topic with personal attacks.

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OK, so what is your contribution so far? Where is your proof that any of the declassified documents or admissions he speaks of are out there for us all to see anyway?



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Perhaps a little more respect on your part would garner you the attention you demand.

Alex Jones publishes corrections to his mistakes online and on the air. Just like any other publication is legally obligated to do.

Google: Bilderberg Group
Google:Alex Jones Bohemian Grove (he exposes them),
Google: NSPDD-51 - this is on the .gov websites
Google: REX- 84, RX 84 Alex Jones - also on
Google: Continuity of Government, John Warren Defense Commission -.gov
Google: John Yoo Torture Memo
Google: Patriot Act 1 & 2

These are the documents Alex talk about and quotes most often. There are others, but these Seven are the more important ones. "We have the Documents People!!" - now you do too

It takes a week to read the first Patriot Act - it takes a month if you have the required treatise and documents it references.

Alex has read them, now it's your turn....

Check your Local Library for these documents. Any Central Library will also have them all. Also Check the .gov websites - they will have the information you are looking for, and you can access it all from your PC. Good Luck.

I hope you make good use of the valuable resources the other members and myself have provided you with. If you choose not to - at least they are now here for anyone to see and use.

You are going to have to use the resources and apply the tools that myself and the other members have given you. Go to one of the links I posted and type "AIDS" into the search bar. Don't ask us to do it all for you. We can't.

Do your Own Research:

FOIA Reading Room

Every Declassified Document Can found Here

Now you have everything you need to find everything you want - so long as it's declassified


So just What is your contribution to this thread?

I believe you have contributed nothing. You have only used us to do your research for you. I will no longer accommodate your irrational demands.

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posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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This is the same result we got the last time you were called on the AIDS documents. You post a bunch of unrelated things that noone is debating and state that you are done. I did not ask about any of the above listed items, neither did the OP or anyone else in this entire thread. I was asked for a specific example of what I feel is a lie and I went with the example that was already standing untouched. I am sorry if my attitude offends but I get frustrated asking for the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over only to continue to get responses from the very people who would supply this and yet, I ask over and over and over and over.

If my attitude is the reason that you do not want to respond, then do not respond. Why take the time to respond many many times with NOTHING just to say that you do not care to bother because of me? It seems that in all these posts you could have posted the requested info many times by now but no, not once. but then you, again, list a bunch of things Alex talks about that are really kind of general knowledge anyway and not in dispute. The things that are in dispute are his claims of the admissions of people working on Eugenics, the "admissions" that bird flu, sickle cell, HIV, were all developed in a lab somewhere. The claims that there are declassified documents showing that they are purposely putting heavy metals into contrails and dumping them on us. The claims that there are declassified documents that explain how cancer viruses were put in small pox vaccines.
These are things in question.
Got anything to back up these claims?
I think your problem is that you assume I do not believe that any of these things are true. I have no problem believing that any of the above is true at all. The problem is that I want to actually know what is true. The REAL truth. I would love nothing more than to see any one of those declassified documents or witness one of those admissions. I just find that when you leapfrog the facts to get to your conclusion, you can often be wrong. I would follow Alex to the gates of Hell and back if all he claims were true. Unfortunately, if what he says about the police state is 100% true, then his very show is giving reason for them to enact it farther. He calls for his listeners to arm themselves and be forceful. Now if that does not give his police state a reason to knock down every regular listener's door, I do not know what is. So, his show is a paradox unto itself right there.
Furthermore, if the government or anyone invented those diseases and distributed them, then we need to know this. It needs to get out to as many people as possible. The whole world needs to see the guilty party and point accusatory fingers en masse. Unfortunately, we actually need the proof Alex is always speaking of in order to do that. I would like that proof. I have looked for it ever since the first claim on that show of something being declassified and admitted (within my 6 years of listening to him.) I cannot find these documents. Maybe it is my lack of ability to research as carefully as you, maybe I am just too stupid to do it. I do know though that so far, you, nor anyone else, has offered ANY proof of any of this. You have insulted, derailed, and talked in circles(see above post and flip back to the first time he arrived at the exact same post for the exact same cornering) and offered nothing more than documents that are well, just that; documents. I can make documents of any kind here. I can find ones that say almost anything. I want the actual declassified document or the admissions that this entire thread is questioning.
Now, I feel that this post is more than civil in presenting my side of this discussion. I am sincerely asking as a truthseeker for your help in finding these documents. I need to know that what he has said about these things is actually true. If it is not, then he is just a fear monger like any other radio blowhard. If it is true, then something needs to be done. Something far more useful and noticable than sticking up for him on a semi-obscure internet conspiracy site.



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posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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"I need to know that what he has said about these things is actually true. If it is not, then he is just a fear monger like any other radio blowhard. If it is true, then something needs to be done. Something far more useful and noticable than sticking up for him on a semi-obscure internet conspiracy site."

I recommend you read the FCC Regulations and their respective Laws.

You will quickly realize that If Jones said Anything - anything at all - that was untrue or that could not be backed up He would be off the air and in court facing charges of Libel and Slander as well as fraud charges.

Jones also prints retractions and also makes on-air retractions, the Law also forces him to delete the offending articles from his site and it's archives.

His show wouldn't be nearly as fun if he wasn't always having a fit. It would actually be pretty repetitive.

I will leave it to you to draw your own conclusions, the FCC regs. will help clarify things for you.



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 11:09 AM
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Ok, I really tried to just ask in a civil manner for proof. What did I get in return? The proof I asked for? Any proof of any of the things that I mentioned? no.
I suggest you get acquainted with the FCC regulations. How about you tell me exactly which code would prevent Alex from saying these things. Apparently you have never heard of Fox News or The Onion. They not only lie all the time, they have both been to court and walked away victorious upholding their right to free speech.
I also suggest you get acquainted with your legal terms.
I think I see the problem here. You want to believe. You really really do. And you think that for some reason the good ol' gubment is trampling all of our freedom of speech to make sure that radio talk show hosts are honest.
OK. Let us just assume that the insane statement that you made is true.
Then either Fox or Air America must be off the air by now right. There is no way that two channels that routinely report stories in direct opposition of each other, one of them is lying so the FCC must have taken one of them off the air by now right? Hmmmm. nope.
The FCC would not charge him with Libel or Slander. Somone with standing would have to do that. Who has that standing? "this is admitted folks. This has been declassified. This is fact." Hmmmm. seems like he just missed giving any one person or body any standing. By the way, Libel is for print. I am not sure why the FCC would bother a talk show host about what he said on air in a libel suit anyway but hey, it is your logic.

So...now that I have been civil. Can you show us thes documents. Does it not bother you even a little bit that you believe this man completely and yet you cannot even find proof of his claims? Would you not feel quite foolish if he lead you completely astray for the sake of his own hubris? How about if he were revealed as a charlatan, or worse, disinfo in the flesh? What if he could take us the right way if he could be patient enough to find the proof before he tried to sell more storable foods on the claim? What if he is soooo close, but just misses because it is so much easier to exaggerate and make more money with crazier claims and as the time goes on and it gets easier and easier? What if he is just plain making it up because, like you said, it is more entertaining? How can you go on defending these claims when you yourself cannot find the very proof this man you follow claims is so easy to attain? If I am going to put my whole heart and energy behind a cause, I need to know it is 100% right. You seem to be settling to for thinking that the FCC somehow regulates honesty. Courts do, when people sue people. The FCC could care less.

oh yeah, found those aids documents yet? Plan on posting more nonsense in place of actual proof? How many times will you need to skirt the issue of not being able to post them because they do not exsist before you start to wonder yourself how honest these claims are?


All you need to do is show us those documents and you have a new best friend, you win, this is over.

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posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by titorite
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I think Alex jones is bad. He just will not discuss what he did at Trinidad...He is not quick to mention geneses communications network is owned by ABC. And he is a rabid plane hugger who completely shuts down anyone who suggests TV fakery in reguards to 911....

Among the awakened who once admired him. The more you learn about the guy the more he becomes one of the most despised.



Trinidad ? geneses ?
more info please, never heard of this



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 11:21 AM
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Please try to read through the entire thread. I know it gets dragged down often by the continued attempts of TT to make a point without proof but the Trinidad incident does get covered.




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posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 01:49 PM
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Oh well,I thought it was funny.Trust me to post in the middle of an argument.But just to make thibgs interesting I'll contact the theatre company to see if Alex was the inspiration or if it's just pure coincidence...hmmm?



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by candyfloss
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Oh well,I thought it was funny.Trust me to post in the middle of an argument.But just to make thibgs interesting I'll contact the theatre company to see if Alex was the inspiration or if it's just pure coincidence...hmmm?


My bad. Your post did get easily trampled over, my appologies. Let us know what you find out.

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posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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Wow this is getting ridiculous. There are no documents that say "We, the USA Government created the HIV virus"
The Department of Defense, roughly 10 years before AIDS emerged on 2 separate continents at the exact same time, requested funding to develop a bio-weapon that would destroy the immune system. The document in question is the request.



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Azrael please be more specific as to what claims Alex Jones has made that are false.

THAT MEANS NAME SOME!



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Azrael75
reply to moocowman


Please try to read through the entire thread. I know it gets dragged down often by the continued attempts of TT to make a point without proof but the Trinidad incident does get covered.


Thanx for the reply, the mention of of trinidad occured without explanation within the frist couple of posts., so naturally one would ask what about it at that point and not assume the information would turn up later.

A simple point in the right direction in relation to the information would have probably taken you less time than the paragraph you uded to replay to me.

Now I have come back to this thread I'm none the wiser and still have to hunting a post that mentions trinidad .

Cheers





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posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Trauma
Wow this is getting ridiculous. There are no documents that say "We, the USA Government created the HIV virus"
The Department of Defense, roughly 10 years before AIDS emerged on 2 separate continents at the exact same time, requested funding to develop a bio-weapon that would destroy the immune system. The document in question is the request.


Really? Perhaps you need to tell Alex Jones this. See I have a problem with taking people at the words that they use, not the ones that I secretly hope they meant to usel. He says ALL THE TIMES these documents exsist and are easy to find. So, if you want to defend the the idea by reforming it, super, go tell Alex to reform his claims. Until then, I know there is no such document. Alex and TruthTellist believe that there is. They both claim to have access to it and know where to find it. I want to see it.
If you have anything real to add about Alex and his lies, awesome, lets hear it. If all you have is an attitude that Alex is right but you have to finesse his own words to get him there, then take that right back to your listening corner and share it with all your buddies there. You want specifics, I am afraid I cannot get any more specific than actually listing the diseases, the claims, the docs, and using exact quotes straight from Alex himself. How much more specific than Alex claims that we developed Aids as part of a master eugenics program nd the docs are available out there for all to see admitting such. You really need me to get more specific than that?



posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by moocowman

Thanx for the reply, the mention of of trinidad occured without explanation within the frist couple of posts., so naturally one would ask what about it at that point and not assume the information would turn up later.

A simple point in the right direction in relation to the information would have probably taken you less time than the paragraph you uded to replay to me.

Now I have come back to this thread I'm none the wiser and still have to hunting a post that mentions trinidad .

Cheers


So... you read the OP, and a little farther but stopped. Then asked a question that gets answered quite thouroughly without reading enough to see that. You have now returned hoping to get your answer without having to read any more of the thread and you are upset that you were not given such answers? I would have to go back and reread the thread to find it all again to post where it is located in this thread, and I have already gone through it all. Seeing as how you could not take the time to do it even once, why should i take my time to find something for you so that you dont have to look for it. If you cannot read the entire thread at least once, then nothing you say is really going to matter.





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posted on Sep, 7 2008 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Trauma
Azrael please be more specific as to what claims Alex Jones has made that are false.

THAT MEANS NAME SOME!


"These things are admitted folks. Everyone knows this is all declassified now that HIV was developed by Sanger's people as part of the globalist eugenics program. Laugh all you want folks but it is declassified, all you have to do is read it to know I am telling the truth but they just laugh at how ignorant you all are"
-Alex Jones

Now that this has been hit on about 50 times, does it sound specific enough for you or do you need a date, time, weather report too in order to point out what is so patently wrong with saying that over and over.



posted on Sep, 8 2008 @ 12:46 AM
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Looks like Sanger's people will not sue AJ because AJ will sue back
and they have more to hide that AJ so AJ wins.

That is why he is challenging the documents... but no one bites
the bait... no one can denounce him... except for you who is annoyed
by his tactic.
These documents must be protected is someway and perhaps will
disappear some day like national security data on Tesla.

Tesla is still number one top dog.

Patton's trip to Peenemunde on the Baltic Sea secret saucer test base
that put many ghost rockets (saucers stuck in the sky) in the sky over
bordering countries.
This record is now missing.
He wanted to take equipment but Intel had the blue prints and could
sell them to companies.

If UFO looks electric and people call what UFOs do anti gravity,
perhaps gravity is electric. There you go, the secret of gravity but
you can't look it up. You be the judge.

Its the same as all conspiracy ideas, they have more to hide than one
small bad lie or act... there is a bunch of them and the whole Illuminati
ball of wax will melt down.

Will AJ take a lie detector test against the astronaut liars or 911 conspirator
liars or HIV developers. I think so, he would love it and challenge them
any time. NIST lies vs AJ on the WTC 7... who is the liar.





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