Some of the best ghost footage ive ever seen...or is it?, page 7

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reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 10:43 PM by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by Discotech
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Yeah nice of you to actually cut out the part of my post which is in agreement that the video might indeed be fake.

The point that you did quote still stands valid however, it's always going to be "too convenient" to some skeptics for a camera to capture evidence to support a claim. Now whether that evidence is fake or not is the point that should be up for discussion but using the excuse of "it's too conveniently placed" is not the way to attempt debunking evidence nor is it logical to use it as form of evidence to prove a video is fake!

Rant all you like just don't rant about things you want to take out of context

Your not exactly innocent of taking things out of context. That quote you used from me was taken WAY out of context making me look like I was refering to every single video of ghosts. When in reality I was only talking about just these three videos.

So with all do respect dont take my statements out of context either.

Thankyou, Now back on topic

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 10:43 PM by tjetbone

Originally posted by h3akalee
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

There are a few way's for example we dont see the radio someone could be manipulating it off screen.

As for the clip where the camera picks up movement in the dark room well that could be as simple as someone walking from one side to the other.

watch that vid again..... u can clealy see the shadowish abject pass infront of the door frame and into the room.... watch again and u will see

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 10:47 PM by tjetbone

this is the vid i was talking about watch is again u can see the shadow pass infront of door frame

youtube.com...

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 10:50 PM by tjetbone

Originally posted by tjetbone

this is the vid i was talking about watch is again u can see the shadow pass infront of door frame

youtube.com...

and the picture on the wall moves

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 10:51 PM by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by tjetbone

this is the vid i was talking about watch is again u can see the shadow pass infront of door frame

youtube.com...

Yes we all agree you can see a shadow pass infront of the door and go into the room. Its been discussed.

EDIT: I just realized that what I said kind of comes across as rude. I hope I didnt offend you or anything. If so I apologise.

[edit on 22-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 10:54 PM by Discotech

reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Look at the quote again and you'll see it was quoting an Anonymous poster so no I wasn't quoting you nor refering to you as a skeptic, I was generalising as I see the "the camera position was too convenient" excuse all too often and it's not the best way to debunk circumstantial unless that's all the debunker has in his repetoire! I think really think you're blowing it all out of proportion and thinking yourself of a victim especially when the initial statement was not even directed at yourself

Anyway as I've said camera positions aside I'm on the fence with this, it's possible it was faked but it's also possible it wasn't faked however the walking around the attic to show it was empty is duely suspect which edges me more towards the "fake" side of the fence

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 10:56 PM by tdubz

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by garyo1954
While I'm doing this let's look at the next video where the 'spirit' is located in the room behind the picture.

Notice the overall darkness of the shot.
That is his shadow in the hallway.
Also anybody see any eyes in that dark area?

Right after the "Again" placard:

The video is certainly lighter.
Now we got those buggy little eyes!

Here's a third picture just so you can compare the lighting:

No eyes? Wonder where that little bugger is hiding?

[edit on 7/22/2008 by garyo1954]

In that segment the footage those things that look like eyes werent the main part. If you watch you can see what is supposed to be or what looks like the shadow of a person walking through that door. Of course mabye those eyes are a part of it too.

in my opinion, the eyes are not eyes at all. to me, they appear to be a door knob that has light reflecting off of it. a door knob has 2 parts, the actual knob, then the part that attaches the knob to the door. ( the round piece of metal that the screws go in to connect it to the knob on the other side). notice the closet door in the main room and look at the door knob. there is light reflecting off of it and if it was a little darker in the room, they might look like eyes too. the door in the other room though is at a different angle so the "eyes" look more elongated because there is more surface area for light to reflect off of.

the blob of black seems like it could be done easily with editing too

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:02 PM by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by Discotech
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Look at the quote again and you'll see it was quoting an Anonymous poster so no I wasn't quoting you nor refering to you as a skeptic, I was generalising as I see the "the camera position was too convenient" excuse all too often and it's not the best way to debunk circumstantial unless that's all the debunker has in his repetoire! I think really think you're blowing it all out of proportion and thinking yourself of a victim especially when the initial statement was not even directed at yourself

Anyway as I've said camera positions aside I'm on the fence with this, it's possible it was faked but it's also possible it wasn't faked however the walking around the attic to show it was empty is duely suspect which edges me more towards the "fake" side of the fence

Ill take your word for it. I dont feel like looking through 7 pages of stuff to find it again. Well I owe you an apology

as far as that is concerned. I am sorry. I apparently misread who the quote was from. I truly though it was one of my quotes because I had said something similar.

However I am not nor have I thought myself a victim. I simply misread and thought it ws directed at me. Hopefully you can understand why I reacted the way I did, consedering I read it as a personal attack. Once again I am sorry.

im sure you can understand how ifelt, thinking that I had been misquoted and supposedly called a skeptic. My mistake. Please forgive my error

[edit on 22-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:04 PM by gimme_some_truth

Now to get back on topic...

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:06 PM by DreamerAU

I am a 100% skeptic. I do not believe in ghost, poltergeists, orbs and the lot. We have unanswerable questions, not one of us can prove either way. Sure you can say If I were a gambling man, I had place a hefty amount that this is fraud like all the others. Being raised the son of a baptist minister I lived beside graveyards most my life. What does that have to do with anything, nothing I guess other than spending many, many a night in a graveyard as a kid may have callused me to believing these things. I use to have Ouija board sessions asking for ghosts, spirits, etc...to come visit me, nothing. Sure I wasn't sure how to properly use a Ouija, oh well. As I said I literally spent the night on numerous occasions in grave yards that neighbored my house, hoping to experience something paranormal. Nothing. Again, I admit this doesn't prove or disprove anything, neither do any of these videos or all the others I watched. I'd love to be proven wrong, all my years I've wanted proof, nothing. I could make myself believe, there were times in the graveyards that I wanted to see something or experience something and I would see a figure standing at the edge of the woods or hear a voice. It was all self conjured. You want ghosts to be real so you see what you want to see a ghost, you don't want to see a ghost you won't. Until a ghost comes up to me or visits me or makes itself known, as I have wanted for years and years videos like this are a dime a dozen.

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:07 PM by LI(f)E.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by tjetbone

this is the vid i was talking about watch is again u can see the shadow pass infront of door frame

youtube.com...

Yes we all agree you can see a shadow pass infront of the door and go into the room. Its been discussed.

EDIT: I just realized that what I said kind of comes across as rude. I hope I didnt offend you or anything. If so I apologise.

[edit on 22-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

To me, and this is more clear when he makes the video lighter to see the close up, you can see that it kind of walks through the doorframe then steps around the open door.
It looks like what he did was he went out side, then came back in and walked through that door.. then edited it and overlapped the video and make himself really faint. I do believe it looks like a person more then a "blob" shaddow.

Another reason it might be edited and cut is with the picture moving. it kind of sways one way, back then dead stop to original position. So he could of used string to pul the picture towards him, let it sway back then cut the scene.

[edit on 22/7/08 by LI(f)E.]

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:14 PM by tjetbone

reply to post by gimme_some_truth

no offense taken.... just didnt feel like reading the last 5 pages... and said my 2 cents

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:16 PM by Sonya610

Originally posted by DreamerAUYou want ghosts to be real so you see what you want to see a ghost, you don't want to see a ghost you won't. Until a ghost comes up to me or visits me or makes itself known, as I have wanted for years and years videos like this are a dime a dozen.

A lot of time ghostly things happen when the person least expects it. Regarding the Oujia board, you should have been able to get that to work, usually they run off your own subconscious mind just fine (I am sure sometimes they pull in spirits as well).

You wanted to see something for a long time, don't give up. You don't need to go ghost hunting but you can ask to have experiences. Ask enough and you probably will.

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:16 PM by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by tjetbone
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

no offense taken.... just didnt feel like reading the last 5 pages... and said my 2 cents

I can certainly understand that. reading about 130 individual posts can become a rather tedious task.

EDIT; Correcting typos.
[edit on 22-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

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[edit on 22-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:19 PM by tdubz

Originally posted by tdubz

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by garyo1954
While I'm doing this let's look at the next video where the 'spirit' is located in the room behind the picture.

Notice the overall darkness of the shot.
That is his shadow in the hallway.
Also anybody see any eyes in that dark area?

Right after the "Again" placard:

The video is certainly lighter.
Now we got those buggy little eyes!

Here's a third picture just so you can compare the lighting:

No eyes? Wonder where that little bugger is hiding?

[edit on 7/22/2008 by garyo1954]

In that segment the footage those things that look like eyes werent the main part. If you watch you can see what is supposed to be or what looks like the shadow of a person walking through that door. Of course mabye those eyes are a part of it too.

in my opinion, the eyes are not eyes at all. to me, they appear to be a door knob that has light reflecting off of it. a door knob has 2 parts, the actual knob, then the part that attaches the knob to the door. ( the round piece of metal that the screws go in to connect it to the knob on the other side). notice the closet door in the main room and look at the door knob. there is light reflecting off of it and if it was a little darker in the room, they might look like eyes too. the door in the other room though is at a different angle so the "eyes" look more elongated because there is more surface area for light to reflect off of.

the blob of black seems like it could be done easily with editing too

ok, just watched the video again. this is so simple its amazing. like i said before, the eyes are the door knob to that room. to the right there is a hallway with a light on. all the guy does is walk in front of the light, which creates a shadow, which keeps light from reflecting on the door knob so the "eyes" disappear. this is also why the shadow stops at the entrance of the room with the closet in it. this room is not at the correct angle for the shadow to cast in to.

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:20 PM by Discotech

reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Hey man don't sweat it I got no problem and thanks for apologising takes a good person to know when they're in the wrong and come out and admit it. You were only defending what you believe in just as I was so it's cool

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:23 PM by gimme_some_truth

Tdubz

thats a very simple explanation. Its also one I never thought of.

The only thing I was able to think of was that he shot two seperate scenes in the same location. One with him walking throught that door and one with nothing but the door. Then through editing he faded his image and combined the two pieces of footage to create the video we have all seen.

Star for thinking up another good possibility.

[edit on 22-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

reply posted on 22-7-2008 @ 11:25 PM by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by Discotech
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Hey man don't sweat it I got no problem and thanks for apologising takes a good person to know when they're in the wrong and come out and admit it. You were only defending what you believe in just as I was so it's cool

Thanks. Im glad we were able to work things out. Ill give you a star just for putting up with me