Some of the best ghost footage ive ever seen...or is it?

Originally posted by bDaedal4ever
reply to post by re22666

 

re22666, I don't even know where you are coming from. I never gave this guy any credit for his CGI talent, just the opposite of talent. Then you simply try to tell me to prove myself while you do no work of your own but point your finger at my non-disclosure of methodology. Never have you stated that you have taken the time to view the film in a frame by frame manner so you have no credibility whether you know what you are doing or not. And very much so it would take years of talent as a professional with the equipment to edit each frame in many of the scenes. It just shows me that you have no one to show your proof of dismissal to.

I'm not here to prove who I am to you but if your not too busy maybe you could examine the video yourself more closely. If you go back a page or two and read my other posts, that would help you understand what I have stated.

i simply asked you to clarify your sound analysis technique since you mentioned it and i doubt the validity of it. you made a point, i asked you to give any reason to buy it. you also stated he must have had alot of training and expense with cgi with which to pull this off, i simply stated i do not see any evidence of years of traingin in any cgi in this video. the videos are fake and poorly so. there is no evidence of any cgi wizard with years of training under his belt. i do not believe you will find anything more conclusive with your sound analysis than anyone who simply watched the poor acting already did. but, i am not here to argue with you about any of this. do what you do, dont explain it, i really do not care. say he has the training and money but is still bad at it, whatever that means. ok. how about this. you just win. this is a really unproductive conversation. i am so sorry i asked you to clarify the claims that you made. i will go back to quietly knowing it is fake without having to pretend i have some expertise i do not have to do it. hell, my 10 yr old nephew called it fake right away and he has nothing to back it up with, but i believe him too so have fun arguing. i cant wait to see any submissions. it sure seems like a task built for all the people discussing all the cgi work that they see.

Originally posted by fleabit
The biggest problem I have with something like this, is the convient way the camera was always positioned on something that was manipulated. He leaves his camera in a position where it catches both the paper towel flipping, and the door opening and closing. And then moving doorknob back and forth to me, is a cliche trick to inspire fear.

In the bedroom, again, he haphazardly leaves the camera in a perfect position to once again, catch the action. And AGAIN in the attic. Why not something flipping behind or to the side or behind, where all you hear is a sound? But no, you catch the action, too.

Yeah but that's crap! If you heard noises off camera without being able to see the action, you would instantly say he had mates over making noises in the background and we couldn't see them moving and hitting things.

When you can see objects seemingly moving on their own accord, people moan how the camera was always in the right place at the right time, suggesting "mmm coincidence?!"

You just can't win when evidence is presented.

In thh first video, right after the door is pulled shut, does anyone else see the shadowing on the door? It's almost like the shadow image of a person and you can see the shadow shaking the door knob?

[edit on 30-7-2008 by Bombeni]

Originally posted by Bombeni
In thh first video, right after the door is pulled shut, does anyone else see the shadowing on the door? It's almost like the shadow image of a person and you can see the shadow shaking the door knob?

[edit on 30-7-2008 by Bombeni]

If I remember correctly, yes it has been noticed. although I think your the first to say that the shadow was the one shaking the door knob.

Its getting hard for me to keep track of what all has been said as this thread is growing so fast.

Originally posted by re22666

Originally posted by bDaedal4ever
reply to post by re22666

 

re22666, I don't even know where you are coming from. I never gave this guy any credit for his CGI talent, just the opposite of talent. Then you simply try to tell me to prove myself while you do no work of your own but point your finger at my non-disclosure of methodology. Never have you stated that you have taken the time to view the film in a frame by frame manner so you have no credibility whether you know what you are doing or not. And very much so it would take years of talent as a professional with the equipment to edit each frame in many of the scenes. It just shows me that you have no one to show your proof of dismissal to.

I'm not here to prove who I am to you but if your not too busy maybe you could examine the video yourself more closely. If you go back a page or two and read my other posts, that would help you understand what I have stated.

i simply asked you to clarify your sound analysis technique since you mentioned it and i doubt the validity of it. you made a point, i asked you to give any reason to buy it. you also stated he must have had alot of training and expense with cgi with which to pull this off, i simply stated i do not see any evidence of years of traingin in any cgi in this video. the videos are fake and poorly so. there is no evidence of any cgi wizard with years of training under his belt. i do not believe you will find anything more conclusive with your sound analysis than anyone who simply watched the poor acting already did. but, i am not here to argue with you about any of this. do what you do, dont explain it, i really do not care. say he has the training and money but is still bad at it, whatever that means. ok. how about this. you just win. this is a really unproductive conversation. i am so sorry i asked you to clarify the claims that you made. i will go back to quietly knowing it is fake without having to pretend i have some expertise i do not have to do it. hell, my 10 yr old nephew called it fake right away and he has nothing to back it up with, but i believe him too so have fun arguing. i cant wait to see any submissions. it sure seems like a task built for all the people discussing all the cgi work that they see.

isnt that annoying? You get a person who claims to know so much about cgi and video/audio analysis, yet if you ask for a simple explanation on how to do it, They cant provide an answer.

All you got told in response is essentially,look at the video and figure it out yourself.

I think you have succesfully caught bDaedal4ever in a lie. Way to call him/her out. Way to deny ignorance.

I know you will all be shocked to hear this, But I still havent gotten a response from ksizzle27 "the video owner".

He hasnt logged on to youtube since before I sent him the first message so its not like he is ignoring us. He just doesnt know he has a message. Dont lose hope. He will log in eventually and see the email.... eventually.

I think you have succesfully caught bDaedal4ever in a lie. Way to call him/her out. Way to deny ignorance.

Lol, call me out, I have nothing to prove here.

You get a person who claims to know so much about cgi and video/audio analysis

Show me where I said that. My claim is that re22666 and now you, have no clue what you are talking about.
Please don't address me anymore on this matter. Get your final say and whatever fuels your egoes and leave me out.
Seeing the videos just clarified a few things for me and acknowledging the presence of entities is not that big of a deal for me. If you seek a detailed explanation of the videos then choose not to believe because I am unwilling to step up when you have not.

Originally posted by bDaedal4ever

I think you have succesfully caught bDaedal4ever in a lie. Way to call him/her out. Way to deny ignorance.

Lol, call me out, I have nothing to prove here.

You get a person who claims to know so much about cgi and video/audio analysis

Show me where I said that. My claim is that re22666 and now you, have no clue what you are talking about.
Please don't address me anymore on this matter. Get your final say and whatever fuels your egoes and leave me out.
Seeing the videos just clarified a few things for me and acknowledging the presence of entities is not that big of a deal for me. If you seek a detailed explanation of the videos then choose not to believe because I am unwilling to step up when you have not.

first you say show you where you said that then you say not to adress you. which do you want? Dont take this so personally. Its a debate. not a personal attack.

As far as stepping up. I have. I and numerous other people have provided tons of evidence that the videos are faked. We are just asking you to provide evidence to go along with your claims. yet you keep ignoring that simple request.

As far as your claiming to be know so much about analyzing these videos. You seem to have forgot saying that so here are a couple quotes straight from you.

"from experience I would authenticate these vid's."

"I also have a good degree of computer related skills in all areas."

"I will continue to give this credibility based on my own abilities to study it digitally"

Now that you can see what we are talking about would you like to answer the question originally posted by re22666?


Incase you forgot the question was in reference to you saying

"I am still analyzing the sound for discrepencies or some other sign of forgery or not"

The question was:

"just how are you analyzing the audio for inconsistancies and edits? please explain to us the entire process by which you will determine the sound quality."

Now someone who is so skilled in this area shouldnt have any trouble answering that question.

Would you like to answer or are you going to back away from your claim of "having a good degree of computer skills"?


Here you will always find a hundred people ready to prove any claim you make wrong. There will always be people who believe diffrently than you and they are ready to argue for their side ( if you want to call it a side). as long as you are ready to defend what you say to the best of your ability you will be just fine.

Keep in mind its not anything personal when your statments get challenged,Well not usually, sometimes you will run into people who do mean it personally. I dont though. Its all a part of everyone here trying to deny ignorance and search for the truth.



[edit on 30-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

Just wanted to add that you never did deny lying.....

[edit on 30-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

While all of it could have been staged even the shadow going around the door frame. I am not saying it is a Hoax just making an observation. it gave me a chill a few times.
If it is a Hoax the person knows how to manipulate images and sounds to good effect. and can train dogs very well.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I know you will all be shocked to hear this, But I still havent gotten a response from ksizzle27 "the video owner".

He hasnt logged on to youtube since before I sent him the first message so its not like he is ignoring us. He just doesnt know he has a message. Dont lose hope. He will log in eventually and see the email.... eventually.

that just makes me question even more if he ever planned on logging back into his account. i mean if you posted these, wouldnt you be eager to see what people told you? unless the ghost got him.

Originally posted by bDaedal4ever

I think you have succesfully caught bDaedal4ever in a lie. Way to call him/her out. Way to deny ignorance.

Lol, call me out, I have nothing to prove here.

You get a person who claims to know so much about cgi and video/audio analysis

Show me where I said that. My claim is that re22666 and now you, have no clue what you are talking about.
Please don't address me anymore on this matter. Get your final say and whatever fuels your egoes and leave me out.
Seeing the videos just clarified a few things for me and acknowledging the presence of entities is not that big of a deal for me. If you seek a detailed explanation of the videos then choose not to believe because I am unwilling to step up when you have not.

i really was not trying to attack your character but you have to understand when someone makes an arrogant sounding claim about vast expertise and then expresses they will use that to tell us someting, well i just expect at least a little bit of evidence that does not completely belie that claim.

Originally posted by re22666

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I know you will all be shocked to hear this, But I still havent gotten a response from ksizzle27 "the video owner".

He hasnt logged on to youtube since before I sent him the first message so its not like he is ignoring us. He just doesnt know he has a message. Dont lose hope. He will log in eventually and see the email.... eventually.

that just makes me question even more if he ever planned on logging back into his account. i mean if you posted these, wouldnt you be eager to see what people told you? unless the ghost got him.

I would certainly want to know what people thought. I imagine that it is possible that mabye he just doesnt check youtube very often. Or any number of other things.

But yeah, like you said, mabye the ghost got him....

Originally posted by bDaedal4ever

My claim is that re22666 and now you, have no clue what you are talking about.

something that you dont apparently understand is that When it comes to the exsistence of ghosts, NOBODY knows for sure what their talking about, now do they?

Alot of personal, religious belief comes into play. but no one really knows for sure one way or the other.


Something that you may not have noticed also is that my reasons, I cant speak for re22666, but my reasons for believing these videos were faked came from evidence posted by other members. I considered the evidence for both sides and In my opinion the evidence is stronger that they are fake. the videos I mean.

I never claimed to know everything there is to know about ghosts and ghost videos. I just weighed the evidence. That IS the logical thing to do.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

i can certainly speak for myself. anyone that comes here and proclaims a great deal of expertise and then pronounces they will use said expertise to explain to the rest of us what is really going on....kinda of needs to back it up with something. you can tell me that i do not know what i am talking about but then again, i never anounced my genius, experience, and vast knowledge, then let the plebians know i will soon grace them with the results of my master study. so i know exactly what i am talking about. i am saying you are talking out of your behind and on ATS you will be asked to back up claims like that, instead you asked us to leave you alone after sending insults but no proof. so be it, i have nothing more to say to you. you obviously have nothing to say anyway. i am truly sorry if asking you to explain the analysis you were going to do of the sound, you did mention it, not me. i sincerely appologize for asking you to at least express one little bit of the knowledge, experience, and expertise with which you so eloquently promised to shine down upon us all. cant stand the heat? stay out of the room where you stand up proclaiming yourself master of anything and express knowledge of none.

i think you should be greatful that the OP is much nicer than i am and continue the conversation with him if you really have value to add to the thread. dont let me scare you away just because id like to see just a little of them thar smarts you was tellin us all 'bout.

Since ive been told that I havent stepped up to provide evidence one way or the other (despite the fact that I created this thread so we could all do just that) I have put together a list of the evidence provided on this thread that support both the "real" side and the "fake" side.

In all fairness, alot of evidence provided was more speculation and assumption so i will leave any of that out. I will try my best to provide as much real evidence as possible for both sides.

First, for the Real side...

The biggest piece of evidence mentioned in favor of 'real" is the way the dogs act. The dogs reactions seemed geniune in many peoples eyes. Same with the cat. The fact that they seemed scared/upset by something off screen really put the nail in the coffin, so to speak, for the people who believe the videos are real.

Another piece of evidence is the man himself. some people in this thread believe his reaction in the attic is a genuine one.

Umm. really? wow, not much real evidence for this side. If I missed something please point it out. keep in mnd that im trying to leave out anything that is nothing more than speculation or assumption if you do so.


Well, now for the "fake" side...


It has been mentioned that the reaction of the dogs and cat isnt neccasarily genuine. Dogs and cats CAN be trained/coached to act in certain ways. including showing fear.

It has also been suggested that the guy in the video is an actor as evidence by the other short movies in which he has made cameos in.

I brought to light that this guy is a film maker and 2 of these three videos were included in a list of short movies he made.


I could post alot more for both sides, but as i stated at the begining quite a large amount is just speculation and assumption, not fact. And in trying to make it fair for both sides I only used the facts.

If I missed anything for either side, please point it out. There are around 315 posts and there is a possibilty that I may miss something.

i think it is obscene anyone puts the OP in a position of having to prove anything anyway. he started an interesting thread with some cool vids he found and asked a genuine question. it made for interesting talk and some replies have helped him lean one way or the other. and now he has to back that up? why?
and what about the request for submissions. there are so many 'experts' on here weighing in but offering nothnig in the way of proof themselves. i cannot wait until school starts back up and they have bedtimes.

Yes, I am still hoping that people might make there own video attempting to recreate what was seen on the videos, and then post them up here. I am curious to see the minds of ATS at work.

Another suspicious thing: After the attic bit, the camera instantly goes "dark," and then the guitar is placed on the crate. Then it ligthens up again. All the other tricks could be done with strings and such, actually moving an object from the floor up the crate that quickly would require someone to play it there (if it were a fake). And how convenient that the camera gets so incredibly dim just for that.. then brightens back up. Almost like a filter was used at that point in the video.

Any way to check that, or to considerably brighten the attic while it is dark? Would be a great way to see if they were covering up someone's arm or something, as it it placed the instrument on the crate.

i cannot help but wonder, and just humor me for a second here, let's say that is a ghost in the first video. ok, what is a ghost? a dead person, demon, what do ya think? whatver it may be...why would it open and close the door in such a stuttering manner? why would it so slowly move it with all those pauses. i know some might say, it is not physical so it wont work that way...ok then why hang out in the damn closet if doors are such a hamper to you? and then to just toss the paper towels. i know this is not scientific or based on anything. these are just thoughts. everytime i see 'ghost' footage that is just random, but not even in the manner a poltergeist or person might do things, i wonder, why the hell does it act that way. just close the door if you are closing it. if it is hard to do...dont go back in the closet. why would invisible people hide in the closet?

i found something interesting in the first video. it might take me a while to post it but. there is no doubt in my mind that the paper towel roll in not CGI. it is real and in that room moving. how...dont know but that was not my concern. what i noticed was that when you speed it up, there is a very noticable edit just after the paper towel lands and the dogs re-enter. instead of a jump cut, he used a long slow fade but the camera was shifted between shots. i have not used my youtube account in forever and i shared it with someone else so i will see. but i encourage everyone to watch it again, at least 2X if not 4X speed and you cannot miss it.